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Stop blaming DS for lack of strategy.
Im honestly sick and tired of seeing the complaints about DS. I'm a 6k hour killer main with 16.5k kills yes i know this matter little. Ds does NOT affect my games in the least. sure... there are situations when i get dsd in the gate and they escape BUT.... It VERY rarely gets to endgame. i'm not trying to say i'm the greatest killer in the world but the only time it gets to endgame is when im facing that 0.5% 4 stack on comms with metas. it really isn't the perk that's a problem its your strat and swf breaks the game if the survivors are really good at the game. SLug em it's still map pressure not as good as a hook, but still pressure. just play the game guys you win you win you lose you lose. it is that simple
GGS
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Sorry but I don't believe you. If you truly have 6k hours in the game then you would know how problematic and abusable DS is. Pretty much everyone has a problem with DS. Ask people like Noob3, Monto, Tru3, Otz, and so on, most will say DS needs changes.
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I can confirm he has 6k hours. And he's not even the highest time played on Xbox either, he's like 5th or lower.
Everyone you listed is not actually as good at the game as you think.
"Everybody has a problem with DS" if they are bad at the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also both True and Noob use DS all the time. If they really believed it was a problem then they would abstain from using it.
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and also those same people you named are pretty toxic on youtube
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Your personal feelings for them don't matter lol. The point is these and many other top leveled players who play both sides would agree that DS needs changes. Look past the name and look at the point.
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I Love This Thread.
Absolutely Love It.
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i dont have any personal feelings for them, just saying they would complain as its a why to get around all there toxic behaviour. they dont like it when the shoe is on the other foot
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Its not problematic for me at all. its situational. I have no issue getting downs or tracking other survivors so slugging someone and allowing them back up isn't an issue for me. If you would like me to prove my time played i can screenshot my stats for ya no problem. Like i said the only time its a problem is endgame and it only gets to endgame when its a 4stack depip squad. The perk itself ISN'T problematic its SWF. but that's another story for another time.
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Who said anything about feelings? I said they aren't as good as you think.
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Top level players?
lol This game isn't a competitive game, it's not an e-sports game, it's not part of the AAA Gaming E-Sport Games, ANYONE can be a top player.
I can be a top player, so can you, so can many individuals on this forum, and please don't quote streamers who make up about .05% of the Dead by Daylight playerbase because that's not valid. I'm a great player myself, killer and survivor and you don't see me streaming.
DS is fine, learn to slug, count to 60, know who was recently unhooked.
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Whether you see it or not, you're letting your feelings for them blind you too the actual point, because again you didn't address the point I was trying too make lol. So again, ignore you're feelings and biase for them and focus on the actual point.
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That not what the complaint is, it's that d/s shows up on someone you didn't tunnel and player just has a death wish
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✓ States that he/she is a killer main with 6k hours
✓ Complains about people complaining about DS
Makes sense to me
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Here comes the "just leave them for 60 seconds" argument that isn't valid lol. If you played killer at red ranks you would know that leaving someone for 60 seconds will guarantee a loss. DS is a problem and the devs have said they are working on changes too DS because of how problematic it is. it's been almost a year since they've said this but they are working on it, so clearly it is a problem whether you see it or not lol.
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i dont understand were this is going, firstly i never asked you to prove time played or questioned it, i simply said that the people mentioned would moan about DS because they are very toxic on the game. i have played against most of them a number of times and they are very VERY bad losers
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I am a Red Rank killer and Red Rank survivor.
And no, you don't leave them for 60 seconds, you slug and leave them for 60 seconds. They're not invincible, slugging is a great strategy. Killers slug all the time at 1 gen, so ######### is the issue of slugging a survivor when they're so phobic about getting a 5 second stun.
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"Im a killer main, I spam Freddy and Spirit, DS does not impact my games at all". Git gud gg ez baby survivors.
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Huntress here. DS is fine.
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Simply because you don't have an issue with it, does not mean others don't. Your own experiences can't make up for everybody else.
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Right, I can watch their videos and objectively see when the massively ######### up then go on to blame the game when it was 100% in their power to play better. Sure, that's feelings. 🙄
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Killers that have an issue with it are killers that allow themselves to have an issue with it.
If you know there's an obsession and you're not running obsession perks, someone has DS and that's when your gameplay changes and you have to be more aware during the match. No one forces you to pick a survivor up when they've been recently unhooked, no one forces you to open that locker when they jump in it. Simple go for the unhooker if you were camping the hook.
I don't understand the logic of some killers when there are counters to this perk and it's a 1 time use. How the hell is a 1 time use, 5 second stun perk affecting their gameplay. My God.
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yes i'm so bad at this game,I forgot unhooked survivors have 60 seconds immunity and makes them invincible ooh my bad,gotta love how far entitled survivors would go to defend their most broken and crutch perk,ds can be countered by getting gud I forgot.
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Bro go check out his stream. He plays at rank 1. He doesn't derank, get outta here with that.
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been rank one for over a year now kid get over yourself now you're talking about ancient history <3
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Nothing even to do with that. True and Otz both frequently make massive mistakes. They don't need to play perfectly as much as they need to not royally mess up.
LOL "I'm a rank 1 killer with 6k hours" calls them entitled survivor.
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Im just says ds isn't a problem. its obvious your strat isn't altered to play around it. I don't get dsd unless i want to be dsd it really has no affect for me.
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Personally, the only thing I have against DS is during EGC. DS is strong by itself, but in EGC, it becomes an incredibly powerful tool. It's a pain working around DS and BT during that stage, I've had survivors body block near the gate, to let the others escape, knowing they themselves have DS and I can't do anything about it.
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How am I acting cocky or anything of the sort? It's a fair point that your 16k kills weren't all earned.
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it would be too big of a joke for an actual killer with 6k+ hours to make a thread like this but I guess entitlement goes beyond any type of common sense sometimes,gotta flex those numbers and boost their egos after watching too many tru3talent vods.
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I mean you used to hide your rank every stream, congratulations though, you got to rank one and we all know how difficult it is😊
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Almost just as bad. At least the other killers have to earn the hits instead of throwing hatchets in the survivor's general direction and getting downs.
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I do agree with you to an extent. When a survivor has DS and waits at the gate just to DS you that's bull #########. But I've said before that if you use DS while the gates are opened you get 20 seconds of a personal Blood Warden just to stop people from being toxic. You'd have to escape another chase to actually get out of the trial.
But everything else about the perk is fine how it is. This isn't even an issue of balance, it's an issue of toxicity.
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I agree that you should lose for massive mistakes, my issue is that multiple survivor perks can get you out of losing for those mistakes and the closest killer perk that does that is noed. One perk to a multitude of survivors perks that can turn a game around, some even more so than noed
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"Entitlement" could be a word I use to describe how people complain about DS.
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If you know how to not tunnel, DS is literally non-existent. They do gens in front of you with DS? Hit them then slug, slug is literally the most efficient way to extend the game more than hook. They go in locker? Leave them, why tunnel them? Go pressure the gens. If you see a problem in DS, that only means you are a tunneler and you just want ez tunnels. Seriously, develop a brain or stfu
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DS wouldnt be a problem if it wasnt for locker immortality
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Imagine the fact there's people who think ds is fine the way it is and can be countered,now that's a whole new level of entitlement.Slugging isn't an option when perks like unbreakable and no mither exist.
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I wish these people would play against the full red rank survivor lobbies with a killer that isn't S tier. Even if you are slaying, the game is going to be over in 3-4 minutes. You can spawn in, walk to a gen, 2 tap a survivor, and that will cost you the first generator.
Then you got the survivors being invincible for 2 minutes of the game? Balanced perk. It's why I use the very balanced mori's any chance I get.
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Now you're just pick and choosing what killers to add to your list.
Stick to an original story, please. This is just ridiculous now. Huntress takes so much skill to use and she's a slow killer, so please stop changing your story to benefit your agenda.
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No, she doesn't. Huntress is literally a guessing game for the survivor. Is she going to M1, or pull up a hatchet at the pallet? That is huntress 101. Sorry to break it to you.
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Or you can Iri huntress with ebony mori, don't even need 3 mins and you can kill everyone lmao
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There are other options. I have a very evil build for Spirit that is basically all the anti-heal perks stacked with MDR/Amulet. No amount of "overpowered" survivor perks can be that, I'm very confident in saying this.
Additionally, you can just play like a massive jerk. Slug, camp, tunnel. When its valid of course, doing it outside of tactical reasons will have you lose.
Case and point I had one game as Spirit where they were trying to bully me. I caught the Claud and put her in shack basement. I camped her, forced an unsafe rescue, slugged her, got the guy that saved, hooked them, camped her and the slug. One tried to save so I slugged him. The last guy was already injured and when I found them, the third guy use Unbreakable. I left the 4th guy, went back and slugged the UB guy again, then caught the last guy trying to make the rescue. GG
I've won a bunch of games I should have lost by just playing super scummy. That's all you gotta do to beat these perks and to a lesser extent SWF.
LOL No Mither. Wow. That's the signal I should not take anything you say seriously.
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Hey, it's in the game. Just like DS. It must be balanced.
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Or mabye the swf wasn't very good, not insulting you or anything but it's a fair assumption. They were over altruistic and lost.
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before talking ######### about others, maybe you should look at your own skills first. Having problem with DS just tells me you are just a brainless tunneler that wants ez wins. Why not just derank to 20 and kill babies? that should satisfy your ego.
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lol I'm done with you. You have absolutely no knowledge of the game mechanics or their difficulty.
Your opinion is invalid and you will be ignored now. My God, these people.
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i play every killer and tbh demogorgon clown and deathslinger are the only killers i struggle with so i mean what're you trying to say?? i think what you meant to say was go up against a full rank 1 swf with metas not just ds.. cause swf IS the problem not the perks.
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lol imagine complaining about No Mither.
Slugging is your option, or you can just eat the DS and get it over it. It's a 1 Time Use Perk and people seem to have a problem with it.
You only have an issue with it if you let it, if you can't control your tunneling then you deserve the Stun.
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I just find it funny that people who say killers need to stop complaining about ds when it has counters, also complain about killers slugging. Like what?
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Typical braindead meg main. You can't even accept that huntress hitboxes are broken, as they always have been. There are entire threads on this forum dedicated to how broken and easy they are. Just slap on a crosshair and you are a huntress god. Ask ralph.
No, the perks are the problem. There is no time to 12 hook against meta survivors who actually do gens if you are not playing a killer like nurse or spirit. With meta perks you can't slug, you can't camp, you can't tunnel. So you are forced into trying the 12 hook but it won't work when a single hook can take a minute against a survivor who is actually good.
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No these guys were good I just played like a massive jerk is all. The Claud led me on a chase, as Spirit, for a solid 3 gens (mainly because she was Blendette on Coldwind with purple fog so she was hard as ######### to track). They had 1 gen left when I won the game (I forced them into a sort of 3 gen by camping Claud at the basement because there was a gen in shack and 2 more close enough for me to phase). They had the entire meta perk set. They played really well. I just got 2 of them in a bad position and took full advantage of it. If they had done one of those gens instead I don't think I could have won, but I forced them to mess up over and over and won.
I had another game as GF against a 3man (possible 4man, 3 had the same clan tag) on Ironworks. The Ash was REALLY good at looping and super hard to catch. I played like a jerk and tunneled/camped his 2 friends who were gen jockeys and not as good in a chase. I eventually killed them, then caught Ash right after the gate was opened. Steve got out, but I got the 3k on the 3 man clan. Again I won against a solid team by playing like a jerk. Steve almost got caught too. I got a 3k, a solid pip, and like 25k BP. That's a win, is it not?
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