Does anyone feel that if you're pro-survivor you get shamed or your idea gets shot down?

That will happen with both sides. Unfortunately this is a multiplayer game where both sides have two very conflicting objectives and there is terrible people who will play only one side on both ends of the spectrum. They don't understand or care about the other side of the view point. Sucks that it is like this, but I don't see a solution. Except maybe have mods start removing those replies.

It goes for both sides buddy.

Every thread about ds bt etc will have killers “calling out” or complaining about survivor mains and the same thing happens with noed posts or every once and a while when I see a lunatic say killers are too fast. People just enjoy the “Us Vs. them” mentality.

Then your clearly bias. Both sides cry just as much on the fourms.

Because you notice more survivor threads then killer threads. when in reality there isnt more tunneling,noed and facecamping tunnling threads then there is ds, swf, gen speeds threads

From what ive gathered, survivors are more likely to post really unthought buff ideas for survivor issues. A recent would be a "zone around hooked survivors tge killer cannot enter" among 5 other to be added simultaneously anti-camping measures thast boiled down to "gimme free unhooks".

While killers do also post stupid ######### it is mostly contained to a single killer instead of affecting the whole game. But as it's been mentioned enough already: " killers will shoot down survivor buffs and vice versa"

Even in the more civil discussions, some people simply cant deal with people pointing out unforeseen consequences of proposed changes. I love the solo-swf gapclosing as example: "so now all survivors are as strong as swfs with comms", so now what? As a personal example, i started to dismiss adding aura reading or UI- elements as solution for the solo-swf gap, as that will not work as intended. Giving the survivors a message system (in lieu of the devs not wanting voicechat) will give solos the same advantage of comms " Relaying information you yourself gathered to others". It's weird everyone thinks comms magically spoonfeeds info.

The thing is you're generalizing and making a lot of assumptions. For one you have to assume the person is a main on one side. That's not always the case.

Then your assuming what you think they believe and then generalizing it across all killers. It's like some1 saying survivors want all killers to be nerfed and believe all killers are op because if you go through the forums you'll find a bunch of examples about every killer being too strong/op. It's not a fair argument.

i think it's pretty even in terms of toxicity in the forums. Not all discussions have a 50/50 split. Some have more on one side others have more on the other side. Others just have 1 person on one side arguing with 3 others but that 1 person has like 29 upvotes, while the 3 others have 1 or 2 upvotes.

The thing about who has the power to run games for others... You can just as easily argue that a survivor has just as much power to ruin the game for the killer or everyone else. They can DC/suicide on hook. Follow the killer wanting to die. They can make tons of annoying noises. Constant head ons just for fun (okay I'm guilty of this). Stealth and not do anything at all, especially if it prolongs the match. Not leave when the gates are open prolonging a game you've already won. Sandbag teamates. Attract killers to teammates. Over using bodyblock strat against the killer (I think it's a valid Strat but I also understand from the killer pov why it could feel bad).

Finally, what ppl view as toxic isn't going to always be the same. For example, I don't find a killer hitting a survivor on the hook as toxic. I actually see most newer players do it (in YouTube videos) cuz it roleplays as killer in their heads. Some don't do it to spread toxicity. I don't find teabagging that toxic either but I do find clicking the flash light toxic cuz it's annoying to hear over long periods of time.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. It's your ideas and other ppl shooting it down dont make a difference. If you think that the forums are mostly killer bias and nothing I've said changed your mind then you do you.

My advice would be to take all criticism to improve your ideas and/or understand a bit about other people's point of views. You could also have a bad idea or your wrong. I think in this case you have valid points. I just disagree with your conclusion. Nobody is correct all the time. Acknowledge the completely useless stuff in your head to build thicker skin but don't bother with it too much. If things get too much then you could take a break or leave that discussion.

I don't, no. What I feel is that ridiculous suggestions like "Survivors should be able to pick themselves up without Unbreakable" and "Killers should be weakened (slowed, stunned, and so on) if they're near a hooked survivor" get shot down. That goes for killer suggestions too, so it's not an "anti-survivor" thing.

Ive noticed the same thing. I came on to the forums hoping to make a difference for the solo survivors and ive made a few posts in accordance to that. All of them ended quickly with many many killer mains shoving it back down my throat.

I play both sides equally so I have also thrown encouraging suggestions to killers having struggles or commenting on difficulties in the killer side. Not one bad comment back. Killer mains seem to be killer mains because their personality matches the role. "I'm the power role and so i get the say."

This fact is sad to see as the survivors come on the forums to be shamed.

Ultimately, yes your post is useless and my comment is useless. Just keep gaming and hope you get lucky.

I hear what you are saying OP. I feel the same way generally. I think it's worse on Reddit though. That place is pure killers. We need a "safe space" for survivors.

The problem I usually see is in the ideas themselves. Where the usual idea (DS for example) involves making it stop working when you go in lockers or get healed up. Compare that to "camping" where survivor ideas have ranged from, block a 5-10m area around the hook, to give the killer -50% move speed. Not saying all ideas are like this but a good number are. Plus (and this kinda goes both ways but i usually see survivors do it more) i see people get far more rude with killers than survivors. Yeah killers may call surv main too fast but survivors love to scream out how terrible a killer is in their mind and how they are scum and awful and should kill themselves. Look at the survivor NOED posts and you will see it a lot. Not excusing it when killers say or do bad stuff but to say its all killers is a bit wrong.

I understood what you meant. But to reiterate the point I’ve already made, if the idea or suggestion a player makes is too strong favoring either side, no one is interested. If it’s not super OP, we do support ideas that are suggested with good reasoning. It’s totally situational, depending on the sugggestion. Not every survivor idea is horrid.

I have to assume that although the amount of people that “main” survivor drastically outnumber the people that “main” killer, we as a community strive to make these survivors content...as they’re the majority of our community. At the same token, you can’t have a game without a killer, so we need to please killers also.

No reasonable decent idea should be overlooked, but if, and only if, the idea suggested does not promote unbalanced gameplay.

I said this all already, allow me to give an example this time, and I’ll use topics recently discussed on these forums:

Survivor Main Suggestion: Killers should get punished for abusing survivors at the hook. (Nevermind that there’s already a punishment for this as it allows an easy unhook during attack cooldown), then to promote balance, some survivor action like tbagging must also be punished.

We support ideas if they promote fairness of matches, but to look at anything one sided (regardless of side), it will fall on deaf ears.

If you suggested something like, reduce the cooldown time on Premonition...none of us would care. Although it would strengthen survivors, it’s not by a quantity large enough to even make it discussable.

It definitely flips randomly.

You'll have mirror moments where both sides will tell you, "its just a game, don't take it so seriously", but become instantly triggered when they lose 1 match.

But that's every game with some pvp aspect.

The problem I have with mains, especially Survivor mains, are that they tend to be extremely one sided with their ideas. They forget that any perk idea, as cool as it would be, has the potential to be magnified 4x in a single game on top of a 4-man team who can stomp a Killer who isn't can't adapt to the situation or doesn't have a mean of countering their strategy. Same thing with Killers mains. Like BAD Killer mains who have never touched Survivor or know how Survivor plays in general and come up with utterly ridiculous ideas like perks and perk changes, etc that would render Survivor practically unplayable even against good 4-man teams. I'm a Killer main as well, but I do play Survivor in the red ranks for the tome challenges, and I have disagreed with other Killer mains' ideas. Unfortunately, I don't like most ideas that get posted because of various reasons.

There are nasty people on both sides that come crawling out of the crawl space when it comes to buffs and nerfs, and majority of the community will shove them aside as they should. I would like to think that 51% or above of the total community is civil and are capable of discussing things without aggression.

Go through my posts-

I made a post explaining my side on a view on a killer.. and...

All the replies were killer mains saying,

"People like you are the reason the community is so toxic"

or

"Only you have this opinion."

or

"You're a snowflake"

ect

Not fun to read, people need to grow up and see both sides.