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Locking Dwight's Last Memories Behind A Paywall... Nice...
Parts of a free character are locked behind another character who is locked behind a paywall... What's up with that? Why would you lock the last 2 pieces of Dwight's memories, and therefore his cutscene behind a paywall?
Dwight is the survivor mascot of the game and is of the free survivors. His lore shouldn't be locked behind 2 Kate challenges, and one difficult one at that.
The first challenge requires you to escape on death hook, but not as Dwight...as Kate...
The second challenge requires you to escape a trial while using Boil Over.
What if Kate happened to be licensed? Then what?
All this makes me think is that Nurse lore will be locked behind Clown challenges, or something of the sort.
I know everyone is going to point out that Kate can simply be earned through account progression, but I have no intentions on buying her. I have the survivors that I want to play. Not to mention she has one of the worst perk loadouts in the game, only just beating Ace, Ash, and Quentin.
So it seems about 60% of people don't understand the point of this post. My question is intended to ask why a free character's lore is locked behind a not free character's lore.
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They never make licensed stuff as part of the rift so there is no "what if" it won't happen, at least for the foreseeable future. You can buy kate for shards. in fact everything in the rift is purchasable with shards. The perks that are part of it always appear in the shrine as well during the rift at least once, so you can get them there.
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Im with OP, a free characters lore shouldnt be locked behind a non free characters challanges.
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If you read the entire post, I said that Kate can be purchased with shards, but her perks aren't useful, and I have no intention on playing her.
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At one point, during a stream, someone asked if we can expect to see licensed characters appear in future tomes. I don't remember who answered, but it was probably Mathieu. He said that something along the lines of "to us, a character is a character." That seems like potential confirmation.
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Looking at this website (https://dbd.onteh.net.au/#archives), Kate's death hook escape challenge is the one's that locked behind Dwight's hiding challenge. Tiers 3 and 4 have three and four starting points respectively.
Also, is Dwight's last memory seriously locked behind this stupid as hell challenge? His story is getting really interesting.
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The problem here is that it's a self imposed paywall, the only other way to getting Kate is through money if not auric cells/shards. There is no force in it whatsoever, if you want the piece of lore so bad, what is 9k shards and maybe some leveling here and there?
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True, but they also said that they would never put challenges in the Tome which require you to play a character who cannot be purchased with shards. So if they feature a licensed character in a future Tome, either that character will be made temporarily available for shards, or (more likely) there won't be any challenges in the Tome which require you to play that character.
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they can not MAKE up lore for a licensed character unless they pay money to the owner of the license. and then they'd have to go with the lore of the owner not their own. I doubt highly they'd get anyone to let them write lore and backstory, even if it is from research done. This in and of itself is going to be why no licensed character will be in the rift.
you then have to deal with the loss of that memory fragment. 9K shards and a bit of leveling isn't that much. do not make it sound like they were not putting it behind a monetary pay wall. if that is the case then why aren't you complaining that the legion, and the spirit are putting things behind a pay wall??? no your argument holds water only with your own mind, there is no actual pay wall.
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Sing Another Day - Survivor Master Challenge
Escape 1 trial(s) when your next time on the hook would immediately sacrifice you as Kate Denson.
-Complete this challenge in a single trial.
Unlocks the next entry for 'A Story By Any Other Name'
It really pisses me off since I main Dwight.
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I didn't make any progress on the second tome as I didn't care for any of the characters. I've also mentioned several times that I don't want to buy a character with bad perks who I will never play. I already purchased Legion when he came out, not Kate.
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I've got the shards, but I'm never going to play as Kate, making it a complete waste when there are still perks I want. I've also got more important characters to spend my bp on.
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Progression wall. Kate is not a license, and you can't purchase Iridescent Shards
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If the character is part of a dlc that is not free (i.e. Lullaby For The Dark), it's a paywall.
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you made a choice to not progress, yet you come here crying about there being a pay wall, when there is none other than the one you created in your mind. your choice, now you have a choice of what you do with your choice you already made. please continue trying to rationalize it when you are the one that needs the reassurance you are right, as others here have said much the same as I. keep replying I will keep stating the obvious.
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Ok ngl, I forgot you could purchase original characters with the shards, my fault. But you can still do the grind for her. And also, Kate is from the Chapter, "Curtain Call." "Lullaby For The Dark," has The Huntress and David King. From my knowledge as a console player, I was able to obtain them for free on the playstation store.
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Darn, I meant Auric Cells
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I clearly made the choice not to progress as shown by the image displaying my 13,100 shards that I shouldn't have to spend on a character to unlock something for a different, free character.
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I mean that Lullaby For The Dark is completely free, whereas the rest of the dlc isn't.
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I agree lore for another character shouldn't be in a challenge for another one
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Geez I do not have my head in the game atm. But technically they are, just super grind inducing. And if you don't wanna do that, or buy Auric Cells, there's always the dbd fan wiki and youtube C:
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I told you that if you keep at this I will continue to state the obvious: This is not a pay wall. your choice, your decision, your life. I am not telling you to get kate via your shards and leveling time, but I am saying why cry when it was your choice and then try to make it someone else's fault when the solution is and has been presented to you which is a valid solution for your dilemma. You make your choice and do as you wish.
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The tome has 3 starting points. You can pick Dwight's challenge from the start.
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Two of his lore pieces are locked behind challenges involving Kate and Boil Over.
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WHAT?! That makes no sense whatsoever! Why does one character have lore for another one? I'd think Dwight's challenge would have his lore and Kate's would have either Observations or Revelations. That's weird as hell.
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Since I own Kate I didn't mind. I'll walk on hot coals to get Dweet's lore.
But I agree it should not be walled behind a pay for character challenge.
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As long as you can get Kate for "free" by shards it's still no paywall.
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While I don't like that a character's lore is unlocked by a challenge of another character, saying that it is locked behind a paywall is more than a stretch since you can buy her with iridescent shards.
Plus, it is not mandatory to do the challenges NOW to unlock the lore, you could easily wait until you make up your mind and complete it even during the next rift.
Challenges don't disappear when a rift is closed, I myself still have to unlock Jane's lore because I didn't have enough shards at the time.
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I'm kind of surprised people are actually defending a memory for a character requiring you to spend 100 hours or so to accumulate the shards to unlock a different character. Or however long it takes to get 9000 shards. The pathetic thing is this is literally fixed by just CHANGING THE ORDER of rift challenges. Then literally nothing changes except making some people happy. That actually makes sense. You then have basically a Dwight questline and a Kate one separately.
That's my opinion anyways and I got all the characters so its not like I benefit.
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How can it be fixed by simply changing the order of challenges?
I'm asking because the only way I see of "fixing it" would have required more challenges with Dwight (linked to Dwight's lore) and less with Kate (linked to Observation or general stuff).
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So manny dismiss this on such a technicality
Yes, you can get Kate with shards so it's technically not a "paywall"
Not really the point of the post though
The point is that having to invest in a character you might not even want to get lore of a character you're actually interrested in is kinda silly
It honestly almost sounds like a bug
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I absolutely agree, I was annoyed that locked characters would be in the rift in the first place, but meh, I dont care about em anyway. But having a free character behind a locked one is absolute bs, it doesnt relate to the free character and only makes the tome worse
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Kates perks are actually pretty underatet.
Combine dance with me with lithe and you can escapes chases pretty fast
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Gotta go with op in this one
I own kate soo it's fine by me, but if the lore is directed to a free character it shouldn't be locked behinde a character that isn't allready available
Want kate lore but don't own it? then it's fine if you don't get it but Dwight?
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Kate isnt a premium survivor. you can buy her with shards
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What I'm trying to get across is a free character's lore shouldn't be locked behind a character who must be purchased through some form.
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It Is accessible for free. You just have to work for it. You don't have to spend a ######### dime on her. If you want the useless, non required to get, will NEVER DISAPPEAR lore, just sack up and spend the 9k on her. Its not like yoill never get it back.
It's not behind a paywall. Its behind a grind that you can OPT to skip with money.
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100 hours for 9k shards? Hahahahahahaha
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It's not behind a pay for character. You can get her for free with a little work, or OPT to bypass that with money. You're not forced to pay for #########.
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If you're that hard pressed to NOT play kate, just Google the ######### lore. It's not required to get. Theres no trophy for having them all. It's just a bunch of people who are OCD obsessed about all the collectibles, yet unwilling to obtain all the characters.
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You dont have to purchase her. You EARN her with shards. Since ya know, you cant buy shards.
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I assumed this was an error when I first saw it. It doesn't seem right that they gave Kate 4 pieces to unlock and then keep giving Kate challenges for a different character's lore. They could have given her more lore to go along with her challenges.
Personally, I went ahead and bought two of her perks on the shrine so I could grab a few extra rift tokens, and now I feel like I've made a bad investment since it looks like I have to turn around and buy her anyway.
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I think the main problem here is not understanding what the rift actually is.
The rift itself has two purposes. The first purpose is to make money and the second is to get people to play more.
The rift, challenges and lore aspects of course is an optional extra and you can chose to play the game without participating in any of it.
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Guys he disrespected "Dance with me". Guys?
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Wait I just went and actually looked at the blood web, is this what you mean op
The blood web has 3 "starting points" you can just select dwight without doing kates, same at the top with huntress
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The Kate and Boil Over challenges both reward you with pieces to Dwight's story. It is very weird and forces players to buy or own Kate to unlock Dwight's full story. Unless Dwight's story includes Kate in it, I see no reason for her challenges to contain bits of his story.
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Gotcha, I havent looked at any of the logs yet, I ssve those and binge watch all of them when I finish level 4, so ive never paid attentiin to what unlocks what. I agree thats a weird choice
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They shouldnt put someones lore behind a differsnt character..free or not...
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Sounds like a personal problem. If you don't want to unlock everything, you don't have to. If you want to unlock everything, that includes Kate.
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Google it.
If you aren't bothered by the locked peks, locked characters and are genuinely happy to play the game with the default survivors and killers (of which there are a generous amount) - why on earth would not being able to unlock dwights lore bother you? The lore got leaked when the tome was released, pretty sure the transcript is on the wiki.
Also the challenges never expire so if you ever manage to save up the oh so ridiculous amount of shards to grab Kate, dwights lore will still be there waiting for you.
Honestly you sound so entitled right now. There's no paywall, no big scheme to force you to buy a character- just cute bonus content for a game you clearly don't want to invest any time or money in. What you buy regarding the game is entirely up to you, but bitching about perfectly accessible free content is genuinely embarrassing. Gain some perspective dude.
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@DetailedDetriment did you read that? you can get the challenge, there is an entry point right next to it.
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