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Sexual Orientation
I for one would be fine with them adding in a lgbtq+ character into the game or changing the lore for someone as it hasn’t been mentioned before.
The only romance we have is Wraith and Nurse with cosmetics that i don’t think are canon. Frank and Julie confirmed by the lore. And kinda nancy and steve that are exes.
Honestly if a character became gay it would firstly become more diverse and have better representation, and the gaming community lacks this.
One game that has achieved this well is Overwatch two characters are Gay, Tracer and Soilder 76. This really didn’t change anything about either of the characters and the community didn’t show any negative effects on this. It was just a fact about them.
I don’t understand why people are getting so mad over this fact. It’s a fictional character. They wouldn’t love you before.
So in conclusion I’m not gonna complain if we get a bit in the lore about someone’s ex or if we get an entirely new survivor for this either way I don’t care.
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I mean, if I remember correctly people were pretty pissed at Soldier because Blizzard basically gave no hints and was just like "lol look we have a gay".
I'm all for it, but hopefully they do it right.
Also, was a new thread needed to add to the 23 we already have?
Edit: Not to sound rude but, like, could you read the other things that I've posted in this thread too? Instead of commenting the same thing someone else did that I already responded to?
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There is no need for sexual orientation in dbd, its a survival/action game not a story one.
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But do people need a lgbtq character to show that they are that? I use a girl character, it doesn't mean that I want to be a girl.
Like people can just play any character and assume their role by the player, if they want to use Dwight and make him gay there is nothing wrong with that, if they want to be a Kate and make her a lesb there is also nothing wrong with that.
And Steve deserves better than Nancy and her "bULlsHIt"
Just an opinion, I can be wrong
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That's the right way to go about it. There's no such thing as "hints" that someone is gay. LGBT people are just people, they come in all shapes and sizes.
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I'm well aware- but they took issue that there was nothing. Nothing for a year. Then just gay. If you're going to make a character gay, do it from the start.
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Why do you assume he wasn't?
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Why would you assume he was?
Heteronormativity is prevalent in the world, and was even more so when soldier was released.
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you are very wrong indeed, steve and nancy are perfect together. 😎
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there is no need to go back to gay characters
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I wouldn't mind an LGBT+ character, but not to the point where its their defining feature. They're a whole new character and person, not a stand for LGBT+ rights.
Also Soldier's 'coming out' was very controversial. It was just thrown into the community's face like that- I'm not saying there should be hints or anything like that to say whether or not a character is/isn't LGBT, but the manner in which it was done was sloppy and overrode Ana's story, the point/focus at the time. The lead writer was godawful...
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I wouldn't. I also wouldn't assume he wasn't because I genuinely don't give a #########.
You're right, it is prevalent, but that doesn't mean he was "made gay". When I came out to my mom as bisexual, I didn't "become bisexual". I always was, and then I told her about it.
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I'm sorry, I should have worded myself better. It's 3am right now lol.
If you're going to have a character be LGBTQ+, the best way to do it is to have that in mind from the start, and have it written into their character from the start. Be it explicit or implicit, it's part of them and so should be there. Otherwise it looks like you're just shoehorning in LGBTQ+ for the sake of it, and not having a fully-fledged character that was designed from the start. Must they be flamboyant, don bright pink, scream "YASS QUEEN" every three seconds and shoot people with rainbows? No, but having something is nice, so it makes people feel like they were always meant to be included and not something done for PR.
I agree he wasn't "made gay"- it's biological. That doesn't mean something from the start wouldn't have been nice, so that everyone would've been included from the get-go.
For the record, I have nothing against Soldier being gay.
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Not that this is an Overwatch forum, but what would have been materially different about Soldier 76's design or character portrayal if this had been specified from the start?
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YASS QUEEN!
My rainbow gun is in the garage and I don't like pink, so that's all you're getting out of me.
In all seriousness, while I understand what you mean, the problem is that doing that reinforces the heteronormative "cliché", if you will. I quite enjoyed how they did it because, more often than not, that's how it happens.
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Tbh i always thought DbD was an Asexual game. Sexuality has been hidden deep in text/unimportant.
Only heterosexual relationship I can think of is Frank + Julie and DbD has a looooot of characters. (Not counting licensed characters)
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I felt like the situation with Soldier was perfect.
You don't need "hints" and Blizzard didn't feel the need to do a corporate announcement beforehand to alert everyone to the incoming gayness, or whatever.
The character just is what he is.
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After she broke my boy Steve at the party, please no we don't want him to suffer anymore, she blamed Steve for Barb when in reality she could've just left with her, she did the butterfly effect, could've said no to sex after the pool party but decided to stay and leave her alone and then she blamed it on Steve and herself.
Then later on S2 iirc, she preferred to go with Johnatan ( I know it's her actual husband but don't really know his name) instead of staying with Mike and Steve so they won't do dumb things.
Just my opinion
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Nothing really- I don't think people here are discussing whether or not its important, just the controversy surrounding it. Again, the problem was dropping that information in the middle of another character's story- it completely overshadowed Ana, who had an entire mini-event centered around her at the time.
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I mean, that's fine. I, personally, thought it more like it was shoe-horned in instead of it having been thought of from the start.
Can I please see the rainbow gun though? Just once?
Honestly I'm not exactly into Overwatch, but I think that him being gay was shown through a video at Blizzcon? Instead of having that video shown when it was, well after the game and his release, have that have just been part of the video explaining his backstory. It doesn't even have to be so super obvious in your face, change the design, bright pink magical unicorn, just something along the lines of showing Soldier giving his bf a peck on the cheeck, or even a hug. That, imo, would've been better (but Orion thought that the way they handled it was better, so all props to them).
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I mean there were no hints for Tracer.
In fact soldier actually had more hints about hidden than tracer it about her.
I'm not gonna lie I really like how they revealed it they just kind of mentioned he was in a relationship with a guy call the Vincent and just kind of left it as that. The main purpose of that section was more to illustrate how soldier was too committed and obsessed with his work to actually give someone a proper invested relationship.
It was maybe a to two-line detour of the entire comic that it came out with in fact he described it so subtly that it went over some people's heads until someone asked for clarification to which they don't confirm he was in fact gay.
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I don't understand how what you are describing would change anything.
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IMO that would make it, to me, look like it was designed from that start. To me it feels more like a shoe-horn than a specific character design they went with from the start (if it was, I'm sorry, this is just in my opinion).
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The writing itself no it was bad didn't really over write on ana's story.
As I said in a previous comment that section where it got revealed was more to highlight just how obsessive and single-minded soldier can be when he's set on something in this case it was his work in overwatch to the point where he realised he couldn't give his significant other a meaningful relationship.
It's being another man was completely inconsequential to the actual section it could have been Vanessa or Vincent and it wouldn't have actually changed the point of it .
However what ended up happening was a bunch of news sites made articles and then the community flipped their lid.
Complaining about how they made such a big deal of in and it shouldn't have been that relevant when the only people making a big deal out of it was the news articles ( who were doing it for clicks and views not because they actually cared) and the community itself
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I don't understand why that is important, or what it would change or accomplish. What problem would this solve, if Soldier 76 were literally 100% the same in every way, aside from what you are describing here?
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Again, in my opinion, it feels like Soldier being gay was tacked on as an afterthought to his character for the sake of being gay. Had this been there in the beginning of the game, it wouldn't feel like that to me.
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Why us sexual orientation a topic in video games like dbd in the first place?
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OW lore has always been written badly- their old lead writer retconned lore more often than a Bethesda game getting new bugs.
About this specifically? I understood the intent behind it, but it was still badly written. It shouldn't be a big deal, but (as you said) people made it a big deal, and Ana's story was put on the back burner. Chu (the writer) should have seen that coming, but like the rest of the lore it was done badly.
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Like @Orion said up above, why do you assume he wasn't gay? The point I'm trying to get across is that it's still the same character. The timing of this revelation doesn't change it at all. I don't understand why this is a hill worth defending, or why you needed an advance heads-up that a character is gay when the subject was never broached one way or another (until it was).
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Omg this!!! I play Feng cause we're both Chinese and I picture her and Jake having a relationship since if I was in the dbd situation I'd wanna hook up with Jake and it just makes me relate and like the character more and I feel like canon sexualties would kinda ruin that.
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Bruh coming from a hardcore femboy, you can have little bits of dialogue without it being 'heteronormative' like- no offense but how is saying "Oh I always thought (insert soldier 76 crush character here) would be a good boyfriend." heteronormative?
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Why would adding canon sexualities ruin your ability to ship certain characters?
People do that all the time although they know their favorite characters orientation.
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As I've learned from the overwatch community, when you ship characters outside their non straight sexuality you get accused of being homophobic (despite being gay myself) plus I wanna relate to someone in the game and currently Feng Min is the one I relate to the most and thats one great thing about making everyones sexuality ambiguous is that everyone can find a character they relate too but if they started adding canon sexualities you take out a lot of ships and relateability.
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i still dont understand why is that important for this specific game, im a male and only leveled female characters to p3 level 50 and always play with them because i like to play with them does that mean that i want to be them? u can identify yourself with any character because of the reason u prefer, and u can them be whatever u want since 95% of them doesnt have a lore in that aspect because is not relevant. imo
also there are a lot of different skins u can try in order to get the look u want, Nea for example, Yui, dwight, Ace, there are a lot of combinations u can try with different colors and be your character whatever you want wich is better than just adding an specific character only related to that, i think tahts way more important, maybe adding certain skins so everyone can relate with that character.
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For those saying it doesn't fit in this game and why is it important, here's the thing.
Gameplay-wise? It's not important at all. Gay or straight, CIS or trans, or whatever your character is. They'll bleed or kill just the same as everyone else.
But it's important for those who like the lore and finding out more about these characters. It may ruin some ships for you, but it shouldn't stop you either. Just because maybe this character had a husband/wife or boyfriend/girlfriend before in their lore doesn't necessarily say they still don't like the other. DbD created these characters for us to enjoy, for us to think of them however we want. Like they've said, this game is not only theirs but ours as fans as well.
So just be happy for those that get those juicy tidbits of lore. If you don't care and think it's trivial for a game like this to being it up, just know it wont affect your gameplay at all. It's only there for those that want to know.
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It takes nothing away from the game but gives people something else to connect to, maybe a Trans person, or a Gay person, or a Lesbian person has nothing to connect to, they're sometimes outcasted from major communities, or find it hard to connec to something, so finally having a definite "this person is gay/pans/trans/bi" is something to connect with, and if something added to a game can make someone smile and feel apart of this community, then I'm all for it.
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Well you're in luck. According to comments made by the actor that played him Freddy Krueger is probably bisexual.
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The cat's kind of out of the bag if PYRAMID HEAD is going to be in the game.
So much in Silent Hill 2 is about sex, attraction, desire, repression, etc. Even darker themes involving the character Angela. Maria herself is like the embodiment of sexuality.
Pyramid Head's introduction is him engaging in some kind of sexual act with a mannequin. His whole purpose is to punish James, in part due past actions that were a direct result of his sexual urges.
Also, you guys have seen Scream, Halloween, and Nightmare on Elm Street, right? Plenty of sexuality in those movies. NoES 2 is one of the gayest horror movies ever made.
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God this is the most pointless sh*t.
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I main Min because she's the character I related to the most.
I'm not the same race as her but I'm still able to relate to a lot of the events that have happened in her life.
If her being revealed to be bisexual or a lesbian makes it completely difficult for you to relate to her than relation with superficial.
As for the overwatch community thing you should take what those people say as seriously as you would any narrow minded person.
The shipping community has been shipping people outside of their actual sexual orientation for years honestly I don't care whether you decide to ship them in a LGBT method or a straight method as long as you're happy with your own headcanon then more to you.
It doesn't matter if you want to ship an LGBT character in a straight relationship or a straight character in an LGBT relationship no one has the right to tell how you decide to depict the character in your own context.
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You literally contribute nothing to the discussion with posts like this. Why even comment?
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Some people care about lore, some people don’t and just play the game. This change just gives the people that do care more lore. @SenzuDuck sums it up perfectly in my opinion:
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Gameplay wise it's not going to change anything unless they have giant pride flag flashing above those characters. Character cosmetics impact the game and there's a bunch that don't even flow with their lore.
I'm hoping they don't center lore around a characters sexuality. We know the Nurse had a husband, her lore is about her job. We know David had a girlfriend, his lore is about being a fighter. Granted it's licensed but we know Steve and Nancy dated, their lores don't even mention that. I hope they do the same for other sexualities, give them cool lore that doesn't focus on who they do/don't sleep with. Like if for a rift they go into detail of Nea going to Cronus Penn and have "Neas girlfriend tried to stop her from going to Cronus Penn... " it acknowledges her sexuality like they did with David or the Nurse without making it the focus of the story.
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At this point i just want some pride charms just a simple rainbow/unicorn charm or a Transheart or w/e just don't do flags because that's going to be an endless cluster #########. at that point i can be a fabulous ace in a gold smoker jacket with rainbows and unicorns, it would be so majestic!
like some people say making a character gay through a rift would be kinda ######### for the community the best way is to design a character from the ground up to be lgbt or at least try not to make it seem wedged in. make the base clothing or starting store outfits have pride/lgbt signalers like a rainbow wristband or a single piercing on the right or w/e cliché thing you can come up with. just make the commitment early.
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It takes away open interpretation which is more important to me
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Sorry, but the rainbow gun is not for mortal eyes. It was given to me by this big guy. Goes by "Thor", maybe you've heard of him.
What? I'm referring to the fact that putting "hints" that a character isn't heterosexual reinforces the notion that everyone is heterosexual unless stated/hinted otherwise, which is exactly what the heteronormative cliché is.
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You mean like fan fictions and head canons? It really doesn't. People are free to imagine whatever they want.
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Its not wrong to assume everyone is heterosexual though. Only about 5% of the US population is LGBT and soldier is from the US.
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True, statistically people are more likely to be heterosexual. However, to expect non-heterosexuals to have "hints" that they're not heterosexual is still heteronormative. I don't think I need to tell you that the majority of non-heterosexuals don't go out of their way to pass as heterosexual. They're just normal people.
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"I don’t understand why people are getting so mad over this fact. It’s a fictional character. They wouldn’t love you before."
Way to crush a persons dreams like that
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In an imaginary world where homophobia is not a thing and the idea of heterosexuality as normality and goodness is not coercive and constant, it would be reasonable to assume that. But we don't live in that world. When nobody wants to see gayness, the assumption that everyone is straight dovetails neatly with forces of exclusion and denial.
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