Thought's on LGBT characters

They're fictional characters. I think it's highly possible the developers could easily change their minds on a characters sexual preference before it's officially confirmed.

literaly makes 0 difference to gameplay what sexuality the charecters are ,so i couldnt care less

and at the end of the day you can decide what sexuality they are if u wanted to regardless of what the devs say ..their just pixels not real ppl

only thing thing im sick of seeing is all these threads and arguements / in ifghting it causes .. as if the gameplay is going to change becuase of lore of char background

Here’s the thing. More games have representation now but not all. The fact you’re gay and don’t think this is an issue is kind of sad.

It’s cool you enjoy playing games and don’t think about sexuality, I’m sure many people don’t. However, when a game let’s you choose whether you’re straight or gay (or anything in between), it’s actually nice, whether you believe it to be pandering or not. The fact is the World has come a long way, and the fact videogames, which is something many of us enjoy to escape, are hearing us and seeing us isn’t a bad thing.

there is still so much wrong the world but even little things like this show progress and how people CAN change. BHVR are displaying this in what they’ve said.

The more representation means in time, less phobia and more understanding... even if it’s minuscule due to representation in a game, it’s still progress.

"Less phobia and more understanding" is wishful thinking. You are under the mistaken impression that people hold prejudice because they are ignorant. Quite the opposite: Prejudice is learned behavior, and people are learning it watching twitter raid streamer chats and insist that anyone who dissents from their talking points is a filthy evil bigot that must be punished.

Nothing about this fixes anything in the world or progresses anything other than your own ego and sense of gratification. Every time this happens the people doing it go on at length about how righteous and better than everyone else they think they are for it. This is privilege, pure and simple. You're privileged enough to live in a culture that not only tolerates LGBT but punishes people who don't. You're privileged enough to have enough time to complain on the internet because you feel like a videogame is leaving you out. You're privileged enough to stand behind the iron bulwark of social justice so everyone is afraid to call you out.

There’s a mix of people - those who are ignorant and those like you said have been taught. This is why I said minuscule - I’m not naive to believe everyone who plays will be like “oh, this doesn’t change the character at all... go figure”, but you can’t assume it won’t make any difference.

I do know people who’ve had those misconceptions, who were taught to be prejudice... who aren’t now. There are those who realise it’s wrong to hate on someone because of who they love/any other reason.

some people are just bad, but not all. Some people can learn and grow. It’s just difficult remembering that, especially with the current climate.

That was just a joke because your statement was also sarcastic.

at least that’s what I thought..? You were not really serious?

There is an element of sarcasm, with the trans acceptance rainbow shirt and neon hair bit, but that's more of an intentional extreme absurdity to make a point. Honestly I don't find this all that funny.

Yeah, and your mind was made up too. This has happened before. It will happen again. It is a fact. I already cited Cyberpunk 2077 as a direct example and you still deny it as a "conspiracy theory" right before you regurgitate standard rhetoric for your cause. Your method of argument is a joke.

You didn't even know eh? Well that's nice, but this was all prompted by direct demands on twitter toward DbD devs via their community manager. They were pressured into doing this. That's the problem, right there. Not because a character is gay or DbD were feeling particularly warm and fuzzy, but because they were PRESSURED into doing so under tacit threat of backlash. That is not how you win hearts and minds. Quite the opposite, actually, it's how you alienate them.

"This is tracer all over again" oh you mean a totally pointless and meaningless corporate gesture to pacify a demographic of consumers? Good, we're on the same page.

"False information" look at the comments. I've got work today I don't have time to joust with someone that calls me a liar.

If you don't care enough why should I? Scroll through them. Besides, I find it funny that you demand proof that people are threatened by backlash when there's truck loads of empirical evidence for it happening multiple times a year every year. The social justice community has even been satirized by South Park as a bunch of frat boy bully thought police and you still don't get it. That community is the threat. Not LGBT people, not cosmetics in a videogame, but a coordinated group of social engineers punishing anyone and everyone that questions their worldview.

Funny, it's like you ignored EVERYTHING after the first two sentences of my post because you can't actually form a coherent argument. I pointed at proof BHVR were pressured, lots of it. When pressured you either say "yes" or you receive an unceasing shitstorm of epic proportions. That is called a tacit threat. Now, are you a human being with thoughts capable of understanding complex concepts or are you a forum goblin that only argues according to your program?

Thanks for letting everyone know.

Naturally, but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm fine with it. it's something i for one don't really care for since I don't read the lore, but still I think it'd be a neat little thing

So you are a forum goblin on a program then? Good thing for me to know. See you think nobody knows your tricks. You really legitimately think nobody notices how you have a pre-selected method of argument with easy responses based on baited statements. I say "existential threat" and describe to you the immediately observable and easily recognized social justice movement as that threat. Instead you constantly and repeatedly misrepresent my argument by demanding proof of direct verbal threats until someone comes running to rescue you from your own pathetic broken argument. Even if I produced a tweet with a direct verbal threat in it you would immediately jump to "THAT'S ONE PERSON AND DOESN'T REPRESENT THE WHOLE!" You're not as quick on the draw as you think you are. You're a sophist without a hint of reason in your rhetorical constructs.

Nobody is fooled by this act anymore. Everybody can see what's happening here. You think you're buying tolerance and inclusivity with this behavior but you're not. All you're doing is culturing an entire group of silent bigots reading these posts that can see exactly what you're doing. The alternative, that you're merely a well programmed tool regurgitating the same talking points you've heard over and over again, is equally damaging to the cause of LGBT people. Beware, cautious avoidance can turn into active hatred very quickly.

Deal with it, because if you don't value what I say I don't have any reason to care what you think either.

Well first of all you posed a question with no quote, so I would interpret that as a free invitation answer it. So I did. But then you decided to get all butthurt about someone replying to you. Apparently I was supposed to be telepathic and figure out that your post, though having no discerning features that involve a direct reply to a singular individual, was in fact only directed toward one person and nobody else should even dare to acquire your attention for the few moments it takes to read some text.

Seems like you're the one that wants to argue over nothing. Indeed, you argue over someone trying to answer your question genuinely. So to you I say this: Deal with it, nerd.

Until BHVR adds a gay survivor who's literally a walking stereotype. And it doesn't change the fact that it's corporate pandering.

Corporations pander to everybody.

It's where the whole sex sells phrase comes from.

No Michael Bay totally showed off Megan Fox because it was important to the plot it wasn't just to get horny teenagers into the seats.

In horror films there's always goes to strip and jiggle about but that is totally because of the price not just because it gets money.

Have you ever noticed generic shooter covers box art in video games words where is the lone soldier standing with a Wasteland in the background. That's dependent to the target demographic because they found it cool.

Sorry to drop this bombshell on you but anytime a company appeals to their target demographic it's pandering