Pyramid Head: The Ultimate Scumbag

The point of Pyramid Head isn't to tunnel whoever is caged. That actually hurts him, if the survivors aren't rank 20's.

Therefore perks on his cages are irrelevant for both sides. If someone abuses it to successfully tunnel, then

1. There will always be bad apples, and people who tunnel with any killer. You cannot avoid it, but you can discourage it. Which PH does for the most part.
2. The survivors didn't take advantage of the situation.

He's in a good state. I like him. People are very much over reacting. If I were to suggest a change, make it so he cannot see cage auras. Maybe make it a rare add on with some downside.

When did I say it's unbalanced? Did I ever say the game was balanced? No, that's what I thought. It's so unbalanced actually (especially with current sound bugs) that it's not just very much possible to loop a killer 5 gens, it's easier than it's ever been.

And once again you prove you don't understand the killer at all; you only play survivor and it really shows. Routing is basic and you gotta know where to go if you can or cannot take a hit. Even if you step on Rites it's still better than getting downed, you're not supposed to just have a way out of everything when the killer is supposed to catch you eventually.

Hhahaha a bit? what 15 seconds? well i guess it can be possible, where can i find me some of those survivors.

Yeah such a crutch when you are caged and he is immediately running to the cage and just camping you/tunneling you as he arrives as soon as you are uncaged. Such fun and interactive gameplay.

If it's a 'crutch' to be able to play the game after the first time you go down against the new killer, then I think the game is in an extremely unhealthy state and we need some sort of basekit anti-tunneling mechanic.

@MyersRuiz

I don't know what is giving you the impression that they were just a bad survivor. They looped the killer for exactly 1 gen before going down the first time. Meanwhile the other survivor went for the save... killer was already there waiting.

The mechanic is broken if all a killer has to do is go straight back to the cage, and bypass anyone trying to take a hit.

I doubt it, decent survivors will adapt easily to this so called "tunnel tactic" and avarage killers will probably not use PH so much since it actually a bit hard to use his ability and is kind just another M1 killer without it.

@Hoodied

You wanna know what else is meta?

Camping and Tunneling. Built-in mechanics the game has had from day 1. So if you wanna shake up the meta that you are talking about those two need to be addressed in some form. Survivors who are new and start to realize that there are perks to counter them learn very quickly that all those times they have been camped and tunneled could have been avoided, but because they were not playing with those perks they died.

People aren't even mentioning the perks, they are mentioning the cages in their abuseable state.

Out of the approximately 25 PH's I've faced. I'd say 22 were hard tunneling and proxy camping.

I agree, some days i get multiple scummy players in row, some days is just potatoes, but yoy cant just assume every killer plays like a jerk.

Bad luck i guess, but if you want to see a more accurate representation of both sides, just watch a dbd stream of your choice and you will see that scummy players are in not in the mayority.

Because he has to waste time running to the other side of the map expecting that no one got their before him. In my experience every single time that i was far away from PH when he caged someone the cage spawned somewhat close to me or another survivor, making it very hard to effectivily tunnel someone. But hey thats just me, maybe i just got super lucky with about 20 games.

Also yes if played right is guaranted hit, and if played right by the survivor is a guranted miss (since is so easy to dodge).

I don't think OP realizes that there's a way to not get tormented. OP claims there's "no" downside to using the trails, when you literally have your ability to move side to side taken away and travel at less speed. Also, OP acts like there's no way to get around a PH using his trails in a loop, as if you can't just run to a new area when he's trying to do that crap. I assume you stay at loops and try to play them against a Clown, or Freddy, Hag, and Trapper too when they use their powers on loops?

Since PH came out I've been in about 5 or 6 games with him in it, 2 were me playing him to test some stuff out. Of all those games, I think only 3 people got mori'd/mini mori'd and 2 were a mini mori while I was playing the PH games, and the other one was a mori off 1st hook against one of the other PHs I played against. I was tunneled by one, but it wasn't even because I was tormented or anything, it's because I was playing on The Game with almost nowhere to run. I don't even bring DS anyway so when a killer decides to tunnel me like that it's pretty much game over for me anyway, so it's not just PH. I played against 2 Billies in the same day during those games, and both of them were just as scummy if not more scummy than the PHs I played against.

I just think it's absolutely bananas how people complain about PH's cages being OP or whatever when there's plenty of ways to try to avoid it, and there's way more OP things that exist in the game. Like, do people forget that you can also negate DS on any other killer by simply just using a mori and killing somebody off first hook? That's something every killer can do, bring a mori and kill people off first hook, and PH can't do that with his cages. People complain about such small things when there's much bigger fish to fry.

So this thread is basically about killers patrolling the cage? Cuz if the killer is dumb enough to force a cage and then use the cage only to run to the cage, thus wasting time, isn't that a win? It's better than them just face camping, normal hook patrolling, slugging, etc. U get way more chances to survive if their goal is to tunnel or camp.

but that's literally Huntress? Huntress is arguably stronger than PH because she has superior range and shorter cooldown, meaning that would you argue huntress is abuseable?

I’ve played as PH and played against him, and IMO he is broken. I think the main issue is his movement speed. Either his base speed or Rites of Judgement(RoJ) should be lowered. Or maybe just his turn speed While in RoJ. No other ranged attack killer is 4.6.

The way he is now removes everything that survivors have to buy extra time: Pallets-useless, Vaulting-useless, Flashlights (saves)-useless, Toolbox sabotage-useless.

The cages are also broken. They should be treated as hooks, otherwise it completely makes these perks useless: Decisive Strike, Borrowed Time, Well Make It, Aftercare, Babysitter, Breakdown, Camaraderie, Deliverance, Kindred, No One Left Behind, Off the Record, Second Wind, Slippery Meat, and We’re Going to Live Forever.

Also is you consider that you get sent straight to cage (and not picked up) it also eliminates The chance to wiggle free or flashlight saved (as stated earlier), but also the perks: Boil Over, Breakout, and Saboteur.

I've played plenty of PH games where it's probably a 20-30 second walk to the cage. So within like ~15 seconds I am in visual range of the BT/DS ignoring cage. Much closer than some gens I am sure people might have been on. Sometimes it spawns really far away, but not always.

PH is the ultimate tunneler because you can kill people even faster than you could just facecamping them. I've actually killed someone so fast using him that I got hit with DS from the guys first hook when I was going to put him onto deathhook (locker DS though, he jumped in before I could torment him again).

So your saying that you want him to be punished for making reads and/or for using his power?