The wraith will still need a third balance update.
After playing with the new wraith for some time, I like what what the devs have done with his addons. A lot of interesting builds are now possible beyond the old mandatory windstorm + uncloak speed. The update; however, has turned him from an always awful killer into an awful killer that becomes average with good addons.
His original weakness of not being able to apply enough pressure before 5 generators pop still remains.An autohaven wreckers map or any large arena will still see him looped until half the game is already through. If I wanted to play a fast moving scouting character, I could just pick up the Hillbilly. Hillbilly has the map pressure, speed, and instant down capability that wraith doesn't.
Wraith's main X-factor of ambush surprise is even somewhat eclipsed by hillbilly. In fact, I get to start more M1 chases as hillbilly closer to survivors than as wraith since hillbilly moves fast enough through his terror radius to close distance before survivors decide to react. Bing bong is still seen from a good distance away and SWF can track his location reliably.
Its getting there, but equalizing the power level between killers has a long way to go.
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Old windstorm was better, you could actually use it to mindgame loops like the pigs dash, the new one is garbage, and the increased slowdown makes getting an ambush attack off impossible, even with a silent bell.
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The wraith doesn't need anything. He is in a pretty great place now. If you aren't performing well on him now then it is your fault, not the wraiths.
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@Dreamnomad said:
The wraith doesn't need anything. He is in a pretty great place now. If you aren't performing well on him now then it is your fault, not the wraiths.debatable... go play at rank 1 without the most crutch perks and add ons and see how well you can do.
the first few days dont count as far as saying something is good because once people learn the changes and adapt. wraith is still gonna be bottom tier
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@xxaggieboyxx said:
@Dreamnomad said:
The wraith doesn't need anything. He is in a pretty great place now. If you aren't performing well on him now then it is your fault, not the wraiths.debatable... go play at rank 1 without the most crutch perks and add ons and see how well you can do.
the first few days dont count as far as saying something is good because once people learn the changes and adapt. wraith is still gonna be bottom tier
Why would I play without good perks and add ons? That would actually taint the results since I don't typically play like that. It is true that his weaknesses are the same ones that he had before. Pallets and windows. The difference is that he can move so fast in stealth that you can make up for those short comings in map pressure.
For instance, when you catch a player working on a generator you can hit them, take the time to kick the generator, go invis and catch up in a very short period of time. That isn't something most killers can do. If you play the long game, and don't over commit to chases eventually the pallets run out and there is almost nothing survivors can do at that point.
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Giving him the built-in windstorm was a waste of time since he's slower when he uncloaks. smh
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Serious… an add on that is reducing his uncloaked speed??
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@blue4zion said:
Giving him the built-in windstorm was a waste of time since he's slower when he uncloaks. smhAgreed. Once again, instead of actually buffing his base power.. they just made it function differently. The Wraith is still addon dependant. Hell, you actually cover less ground now than you used to.
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@Dreamnomad said:
The wraith doesn't need anything. He is in a pretty great place now. If you aren't performing well on him now then it is your fault, not the wraiths.The problem is that there is mathematically not enough time to kill two people before generators complete.
Finding someone at the start, chasing them for 2 or 3 different pallet loops, and doing it over again twice and bam all the generators are done at the high ranks. Wraith doesn't have the map pressure to delay much elsewhere in between. All wraith has going for him in his base kit is 0 terror radius, but killers like myers and pig pretty much do that but more without having to ring a bell and start a chase after survivors have run away a bit. Hillbilly moves faster and gets surprise chases as well.
The best you can do is pray that survivors don't find your ruin totem until its too late.
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I'd rather they nerf Wraith's addons and increase Wraith's base power stats. Wraith is way too addon hungry. Same needs to be done with Leatherface.
Look at Michael Myers, Nurse, Hillbilly (maybe to an extent), Hag (depending on playstyle). Good examples of killers that you can play without addons and at least 1K or better (Nurse) in high ranks against good survivors (though you'd have to tunnel against SWF to secure that 1K without addons).
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@TiredFluffball said:
@blue4zion said:
Giving him the built-in windstorm was a waste of time since he's slower when he uncloaks. smhAgreed. Once again, instead of actually buffing his base power.. they just made it function differently. The Wraith is still addon dependant. Hell, you actually cover less ground now than you used to.
Well the wraith is lacking an identity. He's weak at chases being an M1 killer. His scouting is eclipsed by hillbilly whose mobility tool also happens to 1-shot people instead of just slowly ringing a bell. Pig and myers have his signature zero terror radius patrolling capability. With bad add-ons, he feels like a pure vanilla killer at times since high ranking survivors pay enough attention to see his cloak shimmer from far away.
Wraith needs to be THE supreme mobility scout, but weak in chases. His cloak needs to make him faster but be on a cooldown until a few seconds after a chase has ended. His stealth could also be a bit more scary looking as well.
Using the above image, terrifying ghostly howl that is rapidly checking all generators on the map within 25 seconds zipping around at 250% movespeed (use imagination on numbers). The survivors are terrified at his ability to always start a chase--he is the king of starting chases against survivors--but he's still vulnerable to being looped. Only after he has not been in a chase for a while can he cloak again.
Its a niche not filled right now. Right now, DBD is wildy inconsistent with its base power budget given to killers.
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@Doomsaki said:
@Dreamnomad said:
The wraith doesn't need anything. He is in a pretty great place now. If you aren't performing well on him now then it is your fault, not the wraiths.The problem is that there is mathematically not enough time to kill two people before generators complete.
Finding someone at the start, chasing them for 2 or 3 different pallet loops, and doing it over again twice and bam all the generators are done at the high ranks. Wraith doesn't have the map pressure to delay much elsewhere in between. All wraith has going for him in his base kit is 0 terror radius, but killers like myers and pig pretty much do that but more without having to ring a bell and start a chase after survivors have run away a bit. Hillbilly moves faster and gets surprise chases as well.
The best you can do is pray that survivors don't find your ruin totem until its too late.
Wraith at rank 1 are pretty much cleaning house right now and it's rare for them not to get at least 3-4 every game.
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@powerbats said:
@Doomsaki said:
@Dreamnomad said:
The wraith doesn't need anything. He is in a pretty great place now. If you aren't performing well on him now then it is your fault, not the wraiths.The problem is that there is mathematically not enough time to kill two people before generators complete.
Finding someone at the start, chasing them for 2 or 3 different pallet loops, and doing it over again twice and bam all the generators are done at the high ranks. Wraith doesn't have the map pressure to delay much elsewhere in between. All wraith has going for him in his base kit is 0 terror radius, but killers like myers and pig pretty much do that but more without having to ring a bell and start a chase after survivors have run away a bit. Hillbilly moves faster and gets surprise chases as well.
The best you can do is pray that survivors don't find your ruin totem until its too late.
Wraith at rank 1 are pretty much cleaning house right now and it's rare for them not to get at least 3-4 every game.
That's an interesting claim, but whats the evidence behind that statement. What is he doing that other killers aren't against high ranks? Camping? Gen-patrol? I've given examples on how he's very much eclipsed in terms of base-kit.
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@Doomsaki said:
@powerbats said:
@Doomsaki said:
@Dreamnomad said:
The wraith doesn't need anything. He is in a pretty great place now. If you aren't performing well on him now then it is your fault, not the wraiths.The problem is that there is mathematically not enough time to kill two people before generators complete.
Finding someone at the start, chasing them for 2 or 3 different pallet loops, and doing it over again twice and bam all the generators are done at the high ranks. Wraith doesn't have the map pressure to delay much elsewhere in between. All wraith has going for him in his base kit is 0 terror radius, but killers like myers and pig pretty much do that but more without having to ring a bell and start a chase after survivors have run away a bit. Hillbilly moves faster and gets surprise chases as well.
The best you can do is pray that survivors don't find your ruin totem until its too late.
Wraith at rank 1 are pretty much cleaning house right now and it's rare for them not to get at least 3-4 every game.
That's an interesting claim, but whats the evidence behind that statement. What is he doing that other killers aren't against high ranks? Camping? Gen-patrol? I've given examples on how he's very much eclipsed in terms of base-kit.
There's been some soft camping, and most go right back to hooked person with a lot of ms addons going. Some are using Ruin while others aren't. There's quite a few with Make Your Choice, Devour Hope, NOED etc.
The ones cleaning up are all P3 or Legacy Wraiths and all are highly skilled, they know how to anticipate really well, 360's almost never work on them. The chases are all usually done in less than a minute and 1st hit is within 10 seconds of finding you or less.
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its just as i always say: you can try to buff a killers power as much as you like, if it is #########, it stays #########. wraith is the perfect example.
cmon devs! GIVE HIM A STEALTH ATTACK!1 -
@Mister_xD said:
its just as i always say: you can try to buff a killers power as much as you like, if it is #########, it stays #########. wraith is the perfect example.
cmon devs! GIVE HIM A STEALTH ATTACK!Like in Identity V ?
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@Wolf74 said:
@Mister_xD said:
its just as i always say: you can try to buff a killers power as much as you like, if it is #########, it stays #########. wraith is the perfect example.
cmon devs! GIVE HIM A STEALTH ATTACK!Like in Identity V ?
maybe he should not be able to get a full lunge attack like the ripper, but yeah. pretty much.
its like the devs of identity V looked at the wraith, said "oh, you could be so much better!" and created a superior (and usefull) wraith.
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