is NOED ever going to be removed?

NOED is solely an end game perk, one that can be cleansed too. Killers are going into the game with 3/4 perks until the exit gates are powered, and that's IF you don't cleanse the hex before then. Also where are all these claims that NOED just automatically wins killers the game coming from? I've played with NOED (not a fan of it, I don't like a portion of my power only coming into affect when the game is basically over) and I've also played against it. It's by no means broken, maybe get your hands off a gen for a few minutes and break some bones instead.

Any killer with a brain will wait dead hard. Ds anti tunnel perk not me fault you picked my up within 60 seconds. (bamboozle a perk that meant to ends infinite but yall block some infinite before it's put into use.) I don't see that as a problem. I don't see bt as a problem meant for safe hook and that what it does. " Second chance perk". Adrenaline reward you for doing the objective or you let your team do all the work and get rewarded for doing nothing or killer close hatch. (now that a second chance)

You won't see a lot of things as a problem until you play against them. The issue is that while none of these perks are inherently the devil on their own, when all 4 survivors run all of them at once it often comes down to slugging or even tunneling to get even a single kill. Which, of course, you can't do because it's not fair/fun 🙄

Ds too

I'm not a killer main I swear lol I play a lot of killer but definitely play more survivor.

The perk doesn't need nerfed. It's the survivors fault for letting the killer get this perk and ths killer did play will only 3 perks for the full game.

I refuse to believe someone is so ignorant at the state of this game. This person is either new to the game or a master troll.

The problem is that survivors suddenly think that defending generators is the killer objective

It's not. The objective is sacrificing survivors. Killers have not lost when the last generator is completed.

If i choose to focus completing that objective in the late part of the game that doesn't mean i "failed"

I never use Noed cause it's too inconsistent, but people qho say it rewards failure are just plain dead wrong

Well survivors have perks that heal a health state and give a speed boost once all gens are done, it's only fair don't you think? Besides Noed can be countered by simply destroying any totem you see, besides don't you have perks that you abuse even if the killer is doing well? Say **forcing unhooks with Decisive strike in hand and BT** it also counts as a second chance perk, let's not also forget Adrenaline.

I don't think deliverance counts as a second chance nor does unbreakable, they can be easily countered.

Oh no, another entitled survivor main that can't accept that there can't only be op survivor perks (DS, Borrowed Time, for the people and many more that other people said in the comments) and items ( I mean, really, with a key everyone can leave before even doing 5 gens) I also bet you want moris to be removed, maybe we should remove every ability from the killers, that'll be fun, right? Also I'm a survivor main too, I rarely play killer but I think noed is very balanced since you can just cleanse a totem at the endgame or 5 at the duration of the match. Also there are multiple occasions where noed isn't even triggered, so then the killer is left with only 3 perks for the whole match.

Noed needs to be changed to have exposed only last for a set period of time (60 secs?) OR it needs to be lit the whole match OR a totem counter needs to be added to the HUD.

Or you could just use soulguard with unbreakable... I mean, survivors really don't need another crutch perk, but there you go. Run that and the killer can't slug everyone with noed provided more than 2 people are alive and their decent at looping.

Mate, these types of posts exist so much that one of the Anniversary Quotes is “Do Bones”

If we have to deal with all of your perks, you can spend your time breaking 5 totems

*makes survivor-sided demand and complains against killers*

"Anybody who disagrees with me is a killer main and automatically will be ignored!"

A titan of intellect here, surely... lol

Either that, or bait.

If only you do bones

Came back to re-read this and man, I play 50/50 and cleanse totems

This made me laugh, lol

Actually both sacrificing survivors and putting pressure on gens is the killers job. You cannot simply ignore gens and just slap the survivors silly. It needs to be a equal balance. I mean if the game was simply KILL KILL KILL then how come I can get 25k blood points as killer without killing one survivor? It is because I apply so much pressure on gens and win chases and get max points there but choose to let survivors go. I do agree though that NOED is not that bad and is easily killed by doing bones but I also do agree it seems to be used as a crutch by mostly the campiest and crappiest killers. My all time favorites are the trappers and hags who use NOED and also trap the gates that are already close together. I play killer and never use it because I hate needing to wait until the game is pretty much done for a perk to work.

However! I do find it fun using it mixed NOED with Blood Warden. It is fun when the survivors are teabagging and thinking oh we won and you smack one and they follow you to pluck them from the hook only to run back to the gate and crap themselves when they see Blood warden in effect. That is some funny stuff and I only do it once in a while just for a laugh and a good teaching lesson not to be a toxic teabagging survivor. 😀

NOED is fine. It's frustrating to play against but has counterplay by destroying the dulls/lit totem.

I've been clapped by NOED a few times after I destroyed 4 dulls. I am almost certain at this point survivors are ignoring dull totems because it hinders doing the generators as fast as possible. If people are deliberately ignoring dulls they have to accept the risk the killer might have NOED. For weaker killers like Clown, Wraith, Leatherface, etc. NOED is practically necessary because they lack map pressure and Leatherface's chainsaw is so hard to get hits with NOED is almost mandatory.

The ONLY problem I have with NOED is people who face-camp right off the bat with 5 gens left, and use NOED to get an extra kill. That's not NOED's fault though. I blame the scummy players since they'd still do this even without NOED.

There's also people who combo NOED with Remember Me and Blood Warden. That's just an end-game build and it's refreshing to go against rather than the enduring + spirit fury + BBQ + Pop meta for M1 killers.

Okay. Clearly you don't play solo enough. It's the only thing I play and cleansing totems is my #1 priority if I find them. NoED is used far less than people think. And saying that you should get special treatment because you have "rough teams" so you shouldn't have to do totems is opposite to what the game is about.

I do agree that the emblem system made "what are our objections" a little bit more vague. I know i have pipped as Legion plenty of times without even killing a survivor

And yeah end game build Noed is only noed for me too

I think NOED can be used as a good learning tool and for some of those joke builds when you want to punish toxic teabaggers but other than that it is one of those perks I personally won't use unless like you said I use it in my very few end game builds but even then its rare for me to use plus it is easy to counter.

The funniest match for me was when I watched a survivor after I had already died open the exit gate as his other team member got slugged on the FAR SIDE and I mean FAR side of the map. Well the guy opens the gate stands there a second watches his teammate get picked up the whole time while looking right at the NOED totem. It was no joke arms length from him! It was on the map Lery's Memorial Institute and there was 3 boxes in a triangle shape right next to the gate with it lit right there. Well instead of taking the 10 seconds and breaking it THEN leaving and giving his other two partners a slight chance the guy just leaves. I was like okay if people cannot do bones when it is that easy I do not expect them to do bones anytime. I am sorry to bore you with this dumb story but it was just funny and shocking to me how easily he could have safely helped his team and got points but was like nope I am out. It just shows me that Solo play is so hard to get all the bones yourself because no one else is gonna. lol

I guess point to my story is DO BONES! NOED is not the problem but the lazy survivors and lack of team work is the problem.

Ngl after reading ur comment I thought about like behavior removing ds would it stop killers from tunneling since they don't have to worry about getting rid of the perk maybe? I mean some people would still tunnel but I'm just saying since your comment made me really think about that xD

If you really did a good job, ask yourself why there's still one totem left in the match? The exact one who gives the killer the ability to oneshot you...

Stop complaining, get good and do bones