is NOED ever going to be removed?

Not to get nitpicky. *Nitpicking intensifies*

But actually you can get up to 32k without killing a single survivor, if you abuse the endgame collapse hooks. Its hard to do that without actively farming however as most people see someone get hooked in the endgame collapse and go "Well you're dead, peace m8" (actually even farming people tend to do that...)

Without abusing endgame collapse you can get the upside of 28k as IIRC the max hook value outside of endgame collapse is (500*8+200*4) so 28,800 is the maximum without using the endgame collapse hook bonus. Of course thats assuming you max out all other categories which is fairly easy without killing survivors. Its always a fun fact to think about that a killer can achieve 32k BP without killing a single survivor.

As to Noed. It puts too much focus on the killing aspect not the denial aspect of killer. Ultimately the killers job is to deny escape for as long as possible (Of course this in itself can get boring if its done too effectively without actually killing). This is why the killer gains bonus BP for hooking during the endgame collapse. It FURTHER denies escape by forcing the survivors to decide between saving an ally or letting them die. Noed breaks this portion of the endgame rather than forcing the killer to attempt to deny escape (An ever futile effort i may add as most killers should know), it allows the killer to go on a killing spree completely ignoring the endgates in most situations. It also means any attempt to save a hooked survivor is suicidal, meaning that saving is out of the question (Or maybe you just want to die?). This means it doesn't deny anyone or anything it specifically has one purpose, gain kills until the hex is removed. As can be seen by this thread alone the most heavily debated aspects of the game are always those that involve killing survivors over denying escape. Moris are equally as contentious a debate.

While the purpose of this thread is a rant, i will refer to a previous thread that discussed alterations to Noed. Particularly making this perk focus on the theme of denial, granting exposed and revealing the aura of survivors that attempt to open exit gates would be a WONDERFUL rework that would make the perk keep with the killer theme of denying escape rather than pure killing.

I love your idea of how NOED should be reworked. I for one would use it then if it was used the way you mentioned granted I do like using it now once in a while with Blood Warden to shock the toxic survivors who refuse to just leave when I am trying to let them escape but I would be okay. =)

I agree though and already thought that about this game. The killers role is to extend the game for as long as possible while chasing and stopping survivors. I mean yes it is also about killing but that is such a small percent of the overall point system. That is why I almost do not care to kill and do more applying pressure and kicking gens and chasing. Yes I will hook them a few times but that is for both of us. It benefits me with points and the survivors with the rescue and heal. That is why I never camp and I refuse to tunnel. I do my best to make the game fun for everyone. I like the idea of NOED showing killers in range of the exit gate and not just give killers a quick one two punch.

I have seen way to many hags and Trappers getting easy 4k kills by trapping the exit gates and the game is over because they can't even crawl out of the gates because they are not open. I mean believe me I am all for doing totems and I do as many as I can find. I just sadly play solo Survivor and I know for a fact most players do not do a totem if it is dull. I watched MANY teammates dry hump dull totems and leave them only later to be killed by NOED. I do my best to get them all but if they reworked Hex:Ruin because that was a problem (when really it wasn't) then NOED should be reworked as well maybe using this idea you offered. =)

Overall I have no issue with any perks and think each perk has its use and spot in the game either as a training wheel for new players but then drop them and use other perks. However things like BT and NOED become crutches for players who refuse to learn other ways of playing. Sorry if that offends people. =(

Noed gets removed every game I play.

“also any killer mains who reply to this defending NOED your comment is being overlooked I don't associate with negative vibes”

that’s not you “Not associating” with negative vibes, that’s you REFUSING to hear anyone else’s opinion but your own

I solo almost exclusively. Doing bones isn't that hard.

Many bad killers will wear it, but it's fun to wear it once in a while

All I'm saying is I've played killer for 5000+ hours and recently quite the game after lack of updates. But the fact you basically shame a lot of killers and then say that you dont want negative energy just makes you sound stupid. Also if you dont want noed just dont play or rub the totems, not that hard man

I just want to to know. Survivors is easier than killer. And I'm sure if the dev theam heard you they wouldn't go" okay since this ONE guy says he dont want to do bones and he says it's hard solo queuing we are going to change a whole perk that is on the weaker side of the game because its "annoying""

Let that sink in that you only have 3 upvotes in a survivor echochamber that is the DBD forums.

Just do bones. If you don't want to do bones, then just leave - it only activates when you're basically free to escape. NOED's only really ever going to be a problem for you if you don't play smart during the match and you're being overly altruistic.

I mean, the thing doesn't even kick in until you've already essentially won and you've got the whole game to make sure it doesn't even work then. But that's somehow still too strong?

Slap the totem counter on Small Game.

Yes actually! And it's so easy!

Just DO THE BONES.

Also, "anyone not agreeing with me I'll ignore". So youre just here to ######### in an echo chamber to be told you're right and not actually converse. Got it.

Its not even bad you can break it,its a chance for the killer to have a come back its 4v1 for one chase and hook just one and you survivors can have three gens done, the entire game is unfair on the killer for real. You can do so good and still not win with killer, yet survivors do one gen a run and break even plus you have dead hard, decisive strike , flashlights, keys, maps, chest , lockers ,etc and killers cant break those yet killer has a come back perk that you can break an you want to ######### about it, gen 1 minute to turn on and have 3 hooks per person, one chase and hook can take from 1 to 3 minutes so 💁 stop bitching about perks killers have

If you are discouraged from cleansing totems, that's a you problem, not a solo problem. You often have no idea if other survivors are working on gens either (unless you're hooked or in the dying state), but you still work on them. You need to do the same for totems.

If survivors stick around without cleansing totems to taunt the killer, getting hit by NOED is just the natural outcome and 100% deserved. There's nothing that needs to be fixed.

NOED punishes players for not taking the extra step to do one other objective and that is CLEANSING all dry bones totems on the map. IMO it should be STRONGER, so if it was combined with WARDEN and NOED's original effect. it just might begin to force players to DO the extra objective in the game. I usually keep it on hand and run it, because more survivors avoid doing their jobs.

• Do generators
• Cleanse dry totems
• Rescue survivors (optional)
• Run away from the killer

I was reading through and wanted to add my own comment. It always bugged me seeing people say "nerf noed" because they say to nerf a perk that you can remove. You see no one saying to nerf arguably the strongest or second strongest hex perk, Devour Hope; "but you can cleanse the totem it's assigned to." Okay? You can cleanse noed as well, I honestly think people forget that noed wasn't a hex perk until Hag released and it got nerfed.

And if we're talking about noed being nerfed why don't we touch a survivor perk. DS (Decisive Strike if you aren't familiar with the abbreviation) I had a match where I was chasing someone and another survivor got unhooked. I hooked the person I was chasing and the survivor that got unhooked got healed and rushed the hook. So I downed both survivors and left the survivor who was farmed on the floor, picked up the other survivor and they escaped because of decisive. Hmm anti-tunneling perk? But I didn't tunnel you, if DS is an anti-tunneling perk, it should deactivate after the survivor gets healed, because that shows they are not being tunneled. (Small gripe but proves my point of an unfair perk on the survivor side.)

Sure, there are unfair killer perks, a good timed Bloodwarden will kill every survivor that didn't escape, a 5 stack Devour Hope will obliterate a team if they can't find the totem. Hell, look at Michael (not a perk but a personal gripe with one of the 20 amazing killers we have), one of the two killers since 2016 that hasn't been touched until Chapter 16's release (The other is Hillbilly). A Rancor makes the obsession terrified of end game, Remember Me makes you want the obsession dead as fast as possible. Surveillance forces you to keep tabs on all gens and you know which gen is being worked on (as Doc i had every gen white with that perk, it's a godsend).

Yet, all of the perks I mentioned are able to be countered, Bloodwarden - don't let them get a hook, or don't have the gate opened when no one is safe. Devour - break the totem (same goes for noed you lazy survivor that can run small game, inner strength or detective's hunch to see how many totems are left in the match) Michael is just don't give him his power, hard but doable. Rancor, force an obsession swap or stay near the gate at the end to rush out and not get downed instantly. Remember Me is just try your best to not get hit or not be chased. Surveillance is work on a gen while the killer is occupied in a chase, they may not notice the yellow aura of a survivor working on it, or work on multiple at once, splitting the attention and the killer has to choose which they think is closer.

Now let's see how to counter the survivor's perks, DS - don't pick them up, which segues into Unbreakable - pick up the... oh that's not good. Well, you can always stay near the downed survivor to stop them from... Soul Guard - don't hit the survivor for 8 full seconds after they get up. At least the final... Adrenaline - unless you're huntress, PH or Deathslinger good luck getting that survivor. That;s four of the good survivor perks and they all work together. To counter prove thyself, use Pop, counter self care use Nurse's, lots of perks are used to counter other perks. Distortion counters BBQ, Nurse's any aura reading perk; Boil Over and Breakout counter Iron Grasp; Wake Up counters Remember Me; Iron Will counters Stridor; RA (Repressed Alliance) counters PGTW (Pop Goes the Weasel); Detective's Hunch, Inner Strength, and Small Game counters NOED, Devour, Huntress Lullaby, Third Seal, Ruin, Haunted Grounds, Retribution, Thrill of the Hunt. (Weird 8 hex perks but people only complain about 1... even though they can all be broken... huh, that's interesting.)

Just wanted to put this here because it always bothers me hearing "Nerf noed" or "nerf this" "nerf that". Especially when those things can be countered while others cannot. Yes, I am a killer main, I play both sides fairly equally but I play killer more, I also have over 6,000 hours into this game so I would like to think I at least know some stuff to add to the conversation to hopefully give better insight to those that need it.