so how does everyone feel about the current state of borrowed time?

Yes

It is worth a perk slot. The only downside is if you go against somebody who really doesn't want you to use it, and is playing a character that can hide terror radius/go undetectable. Any of those characters can just camp and camp and BT won't do a thing to stop them. Otherwise, you can just make plays right up in the killer's face, so yeah I think it's good.

It's not "bad plays," you're equating a known risk with poor judgement.

I'd rather see my teammates get off the hook and gain some distance, maybe if you even realize I gave them it you leave them alone completely and go after me instead, they get to live and continue to play, I can run you for hopefully a decent amount of time.

It's a good perk, it forces you to waste an attack on someone, creating more distance between them and you, whereas you would have just downed them and left them there assuming they had DS.

It is good to farm people with We're Gonna Live Forever that's for sure

It seems you only read one part of my post.

'I'd rather see my teammates get off the hook and gain some distance.' That part doesn't correlate with what my main problem with the perk is. My issue is when the survivors DON'T use it to get away. They instead use it to body block for their savior, knowing that I either waste ten seconds trying to get around them, or I hit them, give them BT, and let the savior escape to a stronger position.

The other issue is when they fail the body block, and instead follow you as you chase somebody else. They can either body block if they manage to get in front, or camp a pallet, looking for the save/stun. Again, because they are invulnerable.

These issues would go away if damage was transferred, or at least some kind of debuff applied. There, the BT survivor would NEED to escape as best they could, instead of trying to hinder the killer, as the perk was meant for. Survivors wouldn't simply go in and play hook hot potato. An element of skill would be involved.

BT can only be applied when the unhook happens within the killer's Terror Radius. Many killers run Monitor these days, it's a really good perk to keep survivors on their toes. But that almost always forces a trade when that happens, especially when the killer tends to proxy-camp anyways, is already in range as the survivor is being unhooked. So the killer then will likely go for the savior, since they know they don't have anything to cover them in an escape(unless they had Mettle of Man). Likely that's why the unhooked survivor runs in for the block, it's so they can try to get everyone out.

I read your whole post, don't assume otherwise. But I don't have to respond to every point you make.

'..why the unhooked survivor runs in for the block.' That's exactly my point. The perk should not be weaponized in such a way. It's meant to get a survivor out of harms way, not be used to shield somebody else. When multiple survivors run BT, that just compounds the problem. At least with DS, you can slug and move on.

Yes, the killer should 'try' to go for the savior (if you want to play 'fair'), but when a BT survivor sits in the doorway, forcing you to either hit them, or spend precious time going around the structure, then it's an issue. When a survivor runs up to a hook and pulls somebody off while you're cleaning your weapon from a swing, allowing the now BT survivor to body block the savior, then it's an issue. When the killer is given no chance to actually leave the hook before it's bum rushed and BT spammed, then it's an issue.

The fact that BT has no limit and can be spammed across multiple survivors with little punishment, aside from a good killer and decent latency that allows for a grab, is a balance issue. Do I want BT removed? No. I like the idea behind it. But is it balanced? No. Either give it a limit, remove or change body blocking, or transfer some debuff/damage to the savior, to add risk.

It's a really strong perk, arguably the best in the game, but I really like how strong it is, because it's entirely altruistic. There are some slightly dodge combos, e.g. using it while your DS timer is still active, that can leave the killer without a viable target to hit, but if anything changes, I don't think it should be the perk that you use to help out your teammates.

The perk is very balanced and an essential for all survivors in my opinion.

That's the point of the mind game though.

And I don't think slugging is a good strategy, if you're constantly afraid someone is going to DS you might as well burn them, because if they have DS then they have Unbreakable then they have Soul Guard then they have Adrenaline and all the other perks you're afraid to go against. You might as well force the DS because at least they might miss it, and you can let them go knowing they don't have it anymore until you run into them later, or you can chase em down.

The game is human players vs human players. I know some people act like bots sometimes, but we all have clever ways of thinking outside the box and mind gaming each other, it's not just you doing the mind games.

Same.

Hit every guy with BT trying to go for unsafe hooks and it's not a problem. :)

As a killer: I don't have a problem with the perk because I don't camp until unless the player is being toxic!

As a survivor: The way I see it. A lot of survivor's use it as a pitiful excuse not to take agro if they are going to do a unsafe hook rescue, granted you can't control who the killer is going after but at least take agro or a hit for your teammate

I don't see a big problem with it.

It can be pretty abusable by good survivors and bombarding hooks in SWF. But you don't have to worry about that to often.

It mostly effects hardcore campers, and if you want to try to counter them, then go for the perk.

You seem to be mixing apples and oranges here. There is a difference between normal body blocking, which, as you say, 'can' be beneficial. There's another when they're body blocking because they have BT active. Two different actions. A 'free' hit will only give the BT survivor a free sprint burst, wastes three seconds of the killers time, and allows the savior, who they were body blocking, time to get to a strong position that they wouldn't of had.

I didn't flesh out the idea behind removing body blocking removal. Just that it would be the easiest way to counter the playstyle behind BT. Maybe only healthy survivors can body block, where as injured survivors get booted out of the way? I dunno, just something I threw out. It would make more sense lore wise, since we're talking about 3 meter tall killers who break pallets like cardboard, being stopped by a tiny waif of a Feng. Still an idea to mull around, but that's for another thread.

In my opinion it’s in a pretty good state, albeit annoying as killer, it can get you and your team out of pretty bad situations as survivor