Lets give a reasonable nerf to Decisive Strike

I think making it not work from being grabbed out of lockers would a nice addition to it. No need to mess work the time of it . If you want to get crazy make it not work near opened gates

None of those fix the problems.

10 seconds isn't remotely enough, grabs don't work almost ever on dedicated servers for that to help and glass in the hand just seems out of place.

Just make any actions towards objectives or saves makes it deactivate, easy. If you do any of those things then you clearly aren't being tunneled.

I think you should have to time it like DH. Just before the killer bends down to pick you up you roll over and stabby with whatever. This gives the killer an opportunity to dodge the hit and requires some sort of conscious effort from the survivor.

The problem with perks like DS and BT is that there's next to no effort from the survivor for a virtually guaranteed outplay in a lot more situations than legitimate tunneling or camping, with zero counterplay except playing around cooldowns. It's like if killers could run a perk that passively magically hooked a survivor for them if the survivor teabagged in their field of view. Yeah, might punish some toxic idiots but it'd also make using the duck button a pain in the butt.

DS has the Skill Check, though I imagine that's not a big deal in the higher ranks where the worst of the problems are.

Making the timer go faster when performing an action could alleviate things. If people want the full timer they have to not do anything if value, which favors the killer.

By the same token, would it be a buff/ problem for the timer to stop when a survivor is downed? That way the killer can't just slug and wait out the timer. Alternatively, if the Killer does that anyway, you can expend the use of Decisive Strike to pick yourself up and/or give you Endurance on being picked up. Potentially makes the perk more strategic in use and its effects are determined by whether the Killer actively tries to tunnel you or not.

I don't think DS should be only nerfed, it should be nerfed and buffed.

It should get something along the lines of higher timer based on beiing chased/slugged but deactivate upon any interaction besides healing self or getting healed by others. Also that idea with shard of glass as notification is really nice.

The reason survivors jump in a locker with ds is to prevent being slugged. Most of the time the killer slugs the survivor that was just unhooked and doesn't pick them up to prevent getting hit with it. It's not a big issue unless you only have one survivor left

Leave gen grabs... I’ve countered an ebony mori spirit that way. (Been hooked once, acted like she wasn’t there, let her grab off gen, DS, gone.... killed about 2 min later though lol)

I would implement deactivation conditions:

The perk deactivates under the following conditions:

• The rescued survivor touches a gen
• The rescued survivor becomes fully healed
• The rescued survivor unhooks someone else
• The rescued survivor cleanses a hex totem

Here is what I would change.

DS deactivates when another Survivor is hooked.

DS deactivates during the EGC.

DS deactivates after you have been healed fully.

DS deactivates after spending X amount of time in a locker.

DS no longer has a time limit, it goes until one of the above things activate.

The devs have stated that DS is intended to combat tunneling on at least 2 different threads.

Here's one: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/48381/design-decisive-strike#latest

"serves the purpose to protect you from being tunneled/ farmed"

And another stating thats not the only thing its used for: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/150989/have-the-devs-confirmed-ds-is-supposed-to-be-a-anti-tunnel-perk/p1

"The idea of it being purely to stop tunneling came from the community."

The devs also thought that nerfing gen speeds when multiple people are on a gen is the answer to gen speeds being considered too fast.

Alternative suggestion:

• Keep the timer as it is at 60 seconds (optional: Extend timer by 15 or 30 seconds for a new total of 75 or 90 seconds)
  • Timer pauses whenever a survivor is engaged in a chase
• Decisive strike now immediately deactivates if the survivor performs any aggressive or objective focused interaction AKA if any of the listed criteria is met:
  • Survivor hides in a locker
  • Survivor begins repairing a generator
  • Survivor begins sabotaging a hook
  • Survivor begins cleansing a totem
  • Survivor begins opening an exit gate
  • Survivor begins healing another survivor (does NOT deactivate if healing yourself with a medkit or Self-Care)

I believe this is more than fair.

It turns out with this version the killers will just grab the survivors when they try to vault through the window or just slug

Are you also going to fix the reason the perk exists in the first place?

Perk is fine as it is otherwise.

Many times have I hooked another survivor, after a decent chase, then found another guy who was injured and downed them, and then got DSed.

ONE single DS is plenty to remove your entire pressure and make you lose.

First of all, no one is defending Moris in their current state. No one. Not even killer mains.

Second, Moris have nothing to do with DS as they are unrelated. DS won't prevent a Mori so the current state of DS doesn't affect Mori and vice versa. Keys are the survivor equivalent of a Mori, and if you want to talk about Moris, then lets put Keys on the table.

If you want a comparison to DS, then Noed is the closest thing. Both are perks that are bad for the game and reward bad play on each side.

Finally, I'd be on board for DS, Noed, Moris, and Keys all being reworked/nerfed hard. I've got my own ideas on how, but I'll save that for another thread.

Make it an exhaustion perk, along with Unbreakable, Dead hard, and Borrowed Time. the main problem is that when they stack together, they aren't second chance perks, they're also 3rd, 4th 5th and 6th chance perks. recall how the devs changed Ruin so it wouldn't work with Pop?

as for Decisive, it need to only activate when grabbed from the GROUND, because survivors should not be rewarded for getting caught deliberately from a locker or generator, and also it should deactivate if someone else is hooked or when you're healed. Cause frankly, if you get saved, run across the level, heal, work a generator while someone else is hooked, and then you get grabbed, you aren't being tunneled.