The second iteration of 2v8 is now LIVE - find out more information here: https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/kb/articles/480-2v8-developer-update

Why do some survivors hate Legion?

I play on PS4 in the Red ranks and whenever I play Legion I seem to just get non stop messages calling him a boring killer or to play another killer because they hate Legion. Why do so many people seem to hate him he's one of the weakest killers in the game and rather easy to counter I have nothing but fun games against him when I play Survivor. Can anyone tell me why so many people hate him?

Comments

  • darklinger
    darklinger Member Posts: 128

    I think they hate heal all time. Lazy survs xd

  • meshitrash1
    meshitrash1 Member Posts: 20

    New Legion, I'm starting to think it's because I catch so many of them self caring instead of doing gens just wasting time when you can null it almost instantly they never seem to learn

  • meshitrash1
    meshitrash1 Member Posts: 20

    I get that mending can be annoying but the amount of time they choose to waste self caring or healing is on them not on the killer

  • DwightOP
    DwightOP Member Posts: 2,328

    1. Team mates using selfcare against Legion

    2. Legions doing a 3 gen hostage builds

    Reason 1 + 2 and the whole team will die after 40 min

  • Nos37
    Nos37 Member Posts: 4,142
    edited July 2020

    Imagine the next killer released cannot kill a single survivor, ever, but survivors have to non-stop heal every moment or they are put into dying state until they bleed out. Survivors cannot complain right? The killer's too weak for there to be any complaints, right?

  • SloppyKnockout
    SloppyKnockout Member Posts: 1,505

    Most good survivors don't heal against a Legion unless they have Thana. Which many do.

    Therefore, it's not a waste of time. They actually SAVE time by fully healing if the Legion has thana.

  • FreakPrince
    FreakPrince Member Posts: 526

    Because he’s annoying. But nothing is more annoying than Freddy.

  • feechima
    feechima Member Posts: 917

    I don't like legion because s/he is annoying but I rather face them than ghostface or deathslinger. I don't message the killer to complain though. I imagine a lot of people have at least one killer they dislike going against.

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,809

    id like to disagree here and say "stridor spirit"

    freddy aint that bad. just wake up.

  • HarleyQuinn
    HarleyQuinn Member Posts: 247

    I don’t find Legion intimidating, but rather more annoying like a mosquito you wanna swat away.

    Secondly, the deep wound is super annoying and I hate mending and healing all match.

  • notstarboard
    notstarboard Member Posts: 3,903

    Legion is by far my least favorite killer in the game.

    If Legion sees you with their power gauge full, you're all but guaranteed to be deep wounded. Sure, you can put baby Legions in the spin cycle and make them lose their power or pallet stun them if they get greedy. Good Legions will get that first hit almost every single time. This is frustrating for a bunch of reasons:

    * There's just about no counterplay in this situation. You pretty much need the killer to mess up in order to avoid being deep wounded. The killer should have the advantage in every chase, but they should not get free hits, especially when they hit harder than normal M1s. That's just busted.

    * Deep wounds is boring as hell to deal with. You just hold M1 for ~12-19 seconds to mend depending on add-ons every time you're deep wounded. What exciting gameplay. If you decide to heal, which you probably shouldn't, that's another ~0-40 seconds on top of the mend timer depending on how you're healing.

    * Deep wound VFX are extremely annoying to chase through. Legion will typically stab as many people as they can easily reach during Frenzy, but the second they realize there's no one else close they just cancel their power and chase the most recent person they deep wounded. Not only is that survivor already injured, but the deep wounds effect makes it very difficult to see obstacles or in dark parts of some maps.

    * Applying deep wounds and/or other status effects consistently causes DBD to freeze for a half of a second. This means you often end up running into walls and burning part of your speed boost after Legion hits you. This will happen for other killers that use Sloppy or, that have add-ons that apply status effects to their attacks, like Huntress, but this happens against Legion more than pretty much any other killer because of all of the deep wounding. I have a GTX 1060 6 GB and I run the game on low btw; it's not my rig or settings. This game just runs like crap.

    * Landing that first hit basically rewards Legion with wall hacks to land even more easy hits. Can you run away the second you see the deep wounds bar pop up on survivor 1? Totally, and for that reason the second hit is way less free than the first. However, there are many situations where survivors are forced to cluster up. Unhooking, for example. Good Legions will shamelessly proxy camp hooks because it's a perfect opportunity to deep wound multiple people and waste even more time. In situations like that, there is zero chance that the second survivor will get away without being deep wounded because of killer instinct.

    With my frustrations about the free first hit mechanic out of the way, I have some other more general complaints.

    * Their lore is absolutely terrible. We have a Babylonian priestess revered as a goddess who banished herself from her city in a desperate attempt to appease the gods before succumbing to a plague, we have a girl who was murdered with a katana along with her mother by her father and who swore an oath with her dying breath that she would make her father pay before she would rest, and we have a group of four edgy teens who murdered a janitor. Sooo spooky.

    * Their gameplay is entirely based around wasting time. I don't want games to drag on and on. That means you're getting BPs at a slower rate because of the 8k category cap. That's also just boring.

    * You don't get to spend as much time interacting with the killer in a meaningful way when you're playing Legion. Legion just runs up, stabs you, runs away, you wait around for a bit moaning, then you find a gen, rinse and repeat. If you're lucky you'll get a chase or two in without deep wound VFX blocking your vision. Hooray.

    * Legion gets played disproportionately much at high rank. Some of this is the current rift, but they're a popular choice regardless. I think a lot of it is that the skill floor is really low with the free first hits and all.

    I miss the good old days when they were 110% movement speed and no one played them because they were sinfully bad... Legion really just needs a full, ground-up rework.

  • Starr43
    Starr43 Member Posts: 873

    How could you possibly hate my Susie?

  • DwightOP
    DwightOP Member Posts: 2,328

    I rather verse Legion than ghostface or deathslinger aswell tho, but he is still very unfun to verse.

  • meshitrash1
    meshitrash1 Member Posts: 20

    Yeah I am serious still the best thing I've ever seen

  • thrawn3054
    thrawn3054 Member Posts: 5,897

    The constant mending gets old. But more than anything I'd say it's how scummy most Legion's play. They're usually very hard tunneling proxy campers.

  • meshitrash1
    meshitrash1 Member Posts: 20

    See I usually see hard tunneling proxy camping Docs, he's probably the killer I dislike the most

  • thrawn3054
    thrawn3054 Member Posts: 5,897

    Legion, Deathslinger, and PH are the ones I see the most. But yeah, there are alot of Docs too.

  • Squirrel_Thicc
    Squirrel_Thicc Member Posts: 2,677

    He's boring to play against. All playing against legion is mending simulator.

  • BadMrFrosty
    BadMrFrosty Member Posts: 1,100

    Legion's power might as well read "Turn survivors into a generator until they mend." ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  • Rivyn
    Rivyn Member Posts: 3,022

    They want to M1 and teabag out the door, of course. Anything that deviates from that is termed 'boring' and 'baby.'

  • ALostPuppy
    ALostPuppy Member Posts: 3,398

    Legion is like Plague, but without the interesting bit. They both don't have much to help them in a chase and you're constantly injured, but that's it with legion. You don't have anything else unlike plague who has her corrupt purge that can really shift the pace of a match. They're also a really boring design. Bunch of edgy teens with knives and a mask. How fascinating.

  • Arctic_Krampus
    Arctic_Krampus Member Posts: 61

    Deep wound and the screen turning dark can get irritating when playing against Legion, but that's all I can think of. Honestly, if you're getting salt and aren't hacking or face camping, you're probably doing it right.

  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,243

    That's basically it, they're just really annoying and his Frenzy is difficult to counter because it's like 360ing a experienced killer. Might work, might not, but either way, you're mending and staying injured all game.

    Not saying they need a nerf, but to show you why survivors find them annoying — it's mending simulator. However, I'm optimistic that the developers are going to change them and it's going to be really exciting to see this happen! 😊

  • ClickyClicky
    ClickyClicky Member Posts: 3,536

    Playing against Legion is as much fun as watching paint dry. There’s not much you can do against his frenzy, and you’re either forced to hold M1 all game healing:mending or just play 1hit all game against a big standard killer. Add to the fact that most legions run mangled, thana and ruin and you’re just holding m1 eternally as your gen progress resets. Hes awful, absolutely awful. I see more hook suicides against legion than any other killer

  • CakeDuty
    CakeDuty Member Posts: 1,001
    edited July 2020

    I don't think people think he's boring cause he's strong (I doubt anyone think he's strong), but I find him boring to go against, cause he adds even more M1 holding to the game.

    Holding M1 is probably the most boring part about the game and Legion just adds more of it to the game. There is not much you can do when they're in Frenzy. Also they are really good against new players that like to heal. When I solo queue I notice survivors like to get healed after mending, then get hit by frenzy, mend and heal again, rinse and repeat. Which basically means they're not doing gens cause they heal against a killer that can injure you with very little counterplay.

    Edit: Try to be in Deep Wound in the underground of The Game, Yamaoka or in Midwich and you won't be able to see anything

  • xenotimebong
    xenotimebong Member Posts: 2,803

    Personally I don’t hate playing against Legion because I don’t care if I’m injured, so I just don’t heal all game. But when your teammates constantly do stuff like throw down pallets against a Legion in frenzy, Self Care every time they get injured, and go down after a 5 second chase because there are no pallets left since they wasted them all and they don’t know how to loop windows... blah. They’re just kind of boring matches to be honest. Either you have a team of pepegas and no gens ever get done, or your team knows how to beat Legion and you rush the gens in 4 minutes. Not very fun either way. At least most other killers have a more interactive power.

  • DrDeepwound
    DrDeepwound Member Posts: 2,557
    edited July 2020

    Play Legion every day and do not care what survivors say.

    Make them mend eternal.

    One day we will have our revenge and Devs will buff him to be able to down survivors again with our power, have faith Legions, we are many.

  • Dwight_Fairfield
    Dwight_Fairfield Member Posts: 7,031

    Legion is the very definition of tedious. Just a series of chase and mend over and over. A root canal would be more engaging than a Legion match.

  • Chloan
    Chloan Member Posts: 91

    After this feedback I know that I should play Legion more.

  • Frareid88
    Frareid88 Member Posts: 276

    Legions and face camping bubbas are the most boring matches to play in. Give me a T1 myers or hag with 200 traps down any day of the week

  • goatslinger
    goatslinger Member Posts: 522

    Honestly it's just annoying. Especially a legion with ruin on a map that you can't find the totem. He is too weak to just kill you quickly and ends up just dragging a game on forever. I'd rather just get pummeled by a god nurse or something than spend an entire game mending. It's boring as hell.

  • TheLastGreatStar
    TheLastGreatStar Member Posts: 1,002

    The reason most people don’t like playing against Legion is the same reason as Doctor. It’s their ability to counter stealth. And unlike Doctor, hiding in a locker doesn’t work with Legion. They’ll still see you with frenzy. Plus it’s the constant having to mend over and over and almost every Legion (myself included) will run Thanataphobia to encourage healing which isn’t something people recommend whilst playing against them.

  • Koukdw
    Koukdw Member Posts: 279
    edited July 2020

    There's no interactivity. He come hit you, then he switch to your teammate. You get off your generator of course he have ruins and thana, you mend. You get back to your generator. He come back hit you. Not saying he is OP. He's just very boring to play against. Especially when you have teammate that self care because they are scared to be injured. Basically when you play against legion it's just more time pressing m1 and less time actually juking the killer.

  • DrDeepwound
    DrDeepwound Member Posts: 2,557
    edited July 2020

    Which is why I have faith one day he will be changed again to some form of downing ability. Devs made him the way he is now because survivors were complaining. Now that he cannot down someone using his ability makes him even worse, and survivors still complain, so as time goes, one day,.... he will get his down ability back.

    The addition of the 4 second stun also makes him not as viable, removing that would make his ability to down people better. As of now he gets blinded and 4 second stun when coming out of ability, that is overkill and everyone knows it.

  • skarsguts
    skarsguts Member Posts: 179

    They always get a free hit on everyone thanks to the heartbeat aura. There’s no “stunning him out of power” when they easily respect pallets and vault them. You’re not going to outrun them in their power so might as well turn around and let them hit you so they can go find the next person. (This is just what I do now to get it over with)

    It’s just mending 90% of the game while they have every slow down perk known to man so gens will never be completed and no one can heal.

    Not to mention every red rank Legion I encounter loves to tunnel off hook and use their power for a free hit, cancel power, down. You can say “but 4 second stun!1!1!1” but it’s still beyond obnoxious to be hit free and then have a Legion do that. I’ve also had Legion bodyblock me during their stun so the four seconds become obsolete.

    My proposed change? Make it where hitting someone with power doesn’t drop a health state - it just puts you in mending. (inb4 angry Legion defenders)

  • NinjaDette1
    NinjaDette1 Member Posts: 1,289

    I kind of do and don’t like legion it’s like my on and off relationships with the doctor and GhostFace.

  • ObscurityDragon
    ObscurityDragon Member Posts: 710

    Because when they're deep sounded and have to mend, survivors can't genrush as they wish lol


    Legion is fun to play and fight against

    I would just change the visual dark effect of the deep wound cause i cant see anything with it