WGLF BUFF

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:
@Sarief

Also, WGLF is not even in the top 5 used perks for survivors. While BBQ is strong #1

You'd think that would be a reason to think why survivors have 5 more broken perks than wgfl analogue that makes you grind faster

It's not in top 5 because top 5 is so stupidly broken and survivors don't need to farm to be viable. They don't need items or addons and they even keep them if they survive -_-

Again, give me a single NEGATIVE effect if tokens were easier to get, and required less farming.

1) economy problems. Killer and Survivor should be in equilibrium so that it does not become reason to play either side. Both sides should have balanced point gaining way
2) look what happened when WGLF was 200%
3) Less insensitive to help teammate. This is what this perk is for, right?
3 is not enough?

1) then buff killer gains too hot damn. 2) did I say make it 200% it’d still be 100%, but it’d be consistent like BBQ is if you don’t suck. 3) It just causes farming, and you should know that. 4) three isn't enough if all three are ass

1) then economy has to be redesigned. I've seen they have position for economy designer on DBD open right now. Want to apply?
2) I can get those stucks consistently, like I said, it's not hard. Want to fix bug with protection not procing when you think it should? then... sure, I'm up for it. bug begone.
3) It causes me to take hits. Also, they're gonna change it so only safe unhooks will give stacks, so no more sandbagging.
you asked for one, got three and still not happy. Only can say "facepalm"
1 and 2 are objective, and 3 is design. You not liking them does not make them invalid.

2) A negative effect of buffing WGLF isn’t that it’s already easy to get stacks, that doesn’t make sense. 3) isn’t a negative. 1) The amount of points needed to p3 everyone increases epontentially every new chapter.

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Jack11803 said:
@Sarief

Also, WGLF is not even in the top 5 used perks for survivors. While BBQ is strong #1

Also, nice job assuming I’m the worst, and that I’m fine cause I DC to save a flashlight. I want the points to get everyone p3, including killers!

read previous comment. I didn't even assume you bring it in the first place, just pointed that survivors DC to save it, so there is no risk and items can be saved. You want to say it was about you?

Why’d you even mention it? This is about BP (that can and will be spent on killers) not some flashy stick

BP = more items/addons + perks + prestige.
Killers need addons. Survivors don't and even save it.
less items spent = less BP needed.
I explained it 3 times, you can't seem to grasp it. wonders

BP is shared across both factions. Let’s give you a hypothetical. If I want p3 Dwight. But I’m fine playing either side. Which side is better to play to get points fast? Killer, or survivor? When I’m spending the points on Dwight? It’s killer. Stop assuming I play survivor to spend on survivor. I want everyone p3. And I have one p3 killer and survivor already. And billy don’t need add ons

I play survivor to farm. I have BBQ, but with survivor it's much faster, efficient and relaxing. your point is..?

ps: Billy uses up addons. Survivors can find item+addon in trial and retrieve it.

Survivors don’t make more, not if you’re even somewhat good with killer. I get like 26k a game with billy. Also, I don’t use items for survivor or killer, so that point falls flat on its ass. I said it earlier but you ignored me and repeated yourself like some busted up record.

I'll repeat however many times you need, since you don't get it.
It's easy to get tokens. There are 4 ways, at least. If you can't it's only case of git gud.
If you don't use addons to farm on killer, it's your own choice. You being good enough to do that does not mean that it's actually easy. It's just that YOU are good that you can catch 4 different survivors once. It's objectively easier to get token as survivor than as killer. Are you arguing that or smth?
Or are you arguing with 26k points average? It's just you who's good. If it's someone else they might not be as good. And kiler is taking whole length of the match always. If survivors take whole length of the match, they get nearly same.

If its so easy why is there such a disparity in matchmaking right now? On PS4 (community I Mod is 56k people) 30k reported as playing killer! THATS INSANE! THATS UNREAL! Also, if you’re good enough to get 4 WGLF tokens, it doesn’t mean it’s normal

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:
@Sarief

Also, WGLF is not even in the top 5 used perks for survivors. While BBQ is strong #1

You'd think that would be a reason to think why survivors have 5 more broken perks than wgfl analogue that makes you grind faster

It's not in top 5 because top 5 is so stupidly broken and survivors don't need to farm to be viable. They don't need items or addons and they even keep them if they survive -_-

Again, give me a single NEGATIVE effect if tokens were easier to get, and required less farming.

1) economy problems. Killer and Survivor should be in equilibrium so that it does not become reason to play either side. Both sides should have balanced point gaining way
2) look what happened when WGLF was 200%
3) Less insensitive to help teammate. This is what this perk is for, right?
3 is not enough?

1) then buff killer gains too hot damn. 2) did I say make it 200% it’d still be 100%, but it’d be consistent like BBQ is if you don’t suck. 3) It just causes farming, and you should know that. 4) three isn't enough if all three are ass

1) then economy has to be redesigned. I've seen they have position for economy designer on DBD open right now. Want to apply?
2) I can get those stucks consistently, like I said, it's not hard. Want to fix bug with protection not procing when you think it should? then... sure, I'm up for it. bug begone.
3) It causes me to take hits. Also, they're gonna change it so only safe unhooks will give stacks, so no more sandbagging.
you asked for one, got three and still not happy. Only can say "facepalm"
1 and 2 are objective, and 3 is design. You not liking them does not make them invalid.

2) A negative effect of buffing WGLF isn’t that it’s already easy to get stacks, that doesn’t make sense. 3) isn’t a negative. 1) The amount of points needed to p3 everyone increases epontentially every new chapter.

2)... then what we argue? OP asked for easier to get stacks.
3) less incensitive to help -> is negative.
1) lol, wrong

2) I’m asking you to give me reason to not buff WGLF (as its buff doesn’t hurt killers). In that case, making it easier for people IS NEVER BAD. 3) There’s plenty incentive as it is. Especially with autodidact and deliverance. Even before it was fine, as not helping can lose a game. The people who don’t help never will anyway. 1) you’re right, it’s not exponential. But it still snowballs. Every perk has 3 levels. 6 new perks are given every chapter. That’s 9 levels for every killer and survivor you’ve already gotten p3 with every former perk. Then there’s a new killer and survivor, which adds to the list of people. With each person costing (after p3 with every prevoius perk) roughly 500k to level up 9 times.

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Sarief said:

@Jack11803 said:
@Sarief

Also, WGLF is not even in the top 5 used perks for survivors. While BBQ is strong #1

You'd think that would be a reason to think why survivors have 5 more broken perks than wgfl analogue that makes you grind faster

It's not in top 5 because top 5 is so stupidly broken and survivors don't need to farm to be viable. They don't need items or addons and they even keep them if they survive -_-

Again, give me a single NEGATIVE effect if tokens were easier to get, and required less farming.

1) economy problems. Killer and Survivor should be in equilibrium so that it does not become reason to play either side. Both sides should have balanced point gaining way
2) look what happened when WGLF was 200%
3) Less insensitive to help teammate. This is what this perk is for, right?
3 is not enough?

1) then buff killer gains too hot damn. 2) did I say make it 200% it’d still be 100%, but it’d be consistent like BBQ is if you don’t suck. 3) It just causes farming, and you should know that. 4) three isn't enough if all three are ass

1) then economy has to be redesigned. I've seen they have position for economy designer on DBD open right now. Want to apply?
2) I can get those stucks consistently, like I said, it's not hard. Want to fix bug with protection not procing when you think it should? then... sure, I'm up for it. bug begone.
3) It causes me to take hits. Also, they're gonna change it so only safe unhooks will give stacks, so no more sandbagging.
you asked for one, got three and still not happy. Only can say "facepalm"
1 and 2 are objective, and 3 is design. You not liking them does not make them invalid.

2) A negative effect of buffing WGLF isn’t that it’s already easy to get stacks, that doesn’t make sense. 3) isn’t a negative. 1) The amount of points needed to p3 everyone increases epontentially every new chapter.

2)... then what we argue? OP asked for easier to get stacks.
3) less incensitive to help -> is negative.
1) lol, wrong

2) I’m asking you to give me reason to not buff WGLF (as its buff doesn’t hurt killers). In that case, making it easier for people IS NEVER BAD. 3) There’s plenty incentive as it is. Especially with autodidact and deliverance. Even before it was fine, as not helping can lose a game. The people who don’t help never will anyway. 1) you’re right, it’s not exponential. But it still snowballs. Every perk has 3 levels. 6 new perks are given every chapter. That’s 9 levels for every killer and survivor you’ve already gotten p3 with every former perk. Then there’s a new killer and survivor, which adds to the list of people. With each person costing (after p3 with every prevoius perk) roughly 500k to level up 9 times.

2) one proposed hurts killer, second hurts economy. Making it easier for people is not bad for people. Might not be as good for game, but I'm not competent enough to answer that part don't have whole info.
3) perk design is to make incensitive, not to force. It does it's job.
1) p3 50 takes 200 bloodwebs. Getting all perks at p3 (p3 max) increases progressively for single killer and exponentially for every killer. Getting perks you need for the build does not require getting all perks, since you can choose what perk you want from available options. Usually enough to play competitively. <--- this is not part of the current thread argument though

Okay, at this point we broken down to literal philosophy (its based on our moral compass, not logic) so neither of us will win. Let’s just go with “it doesn’t NEED a buff, but it’d be nice, and jack personally wants it

@Well_Placed_HexTotem

If you actually read everything, you’d know how it’s important as you can spend money on both sides. Why is it hat if I want to level up survivors, I should play killer? If you play both sides, and the goal is leveling up; you’re argument gets thrashed

@McCree said:

@Nickenzie said:
Since I seen a lot of fog travelers who wanted to buff WGLF, I wanted to give my 2 cents on it and hopefully you'll agree!

WHY IS WGLF WEAK COMPARED TO BBQ?

The main reason why WGLF is weak is because the requirement to gain a stack isn't the survivors objective and it's not reliable!

On the other hand, BBQ gives you stacks for rewarding the killer for DOING THEIR OBJECTIVE instead of not going out of your way to do something risky such as let's say "Hooking a survivor in the basement to gain a stack".

So here are my two suggestions on how we can buff WGLF while being balanced:

WGLF: (More Ways to Get Stacks)
Your few friends deserve the best protection. Each time you rescue or take a hit to protect a Survivor, repair a generator, stun the killer with a pallet, gain 20 % stackable bonus to all Bloodpoint gains up to a maximum of 60/80/100 %.The Bonus Bloodpoints are only awarded post-trial.

WGLF: (A Warning if The Killer is Coming)

Your few friends deserve the best protection. Each time you rescue or take a hit to protect a Survivor, gain 25 % stackable bonus to all Bloodpoint gains up to a maximum of 50/75/100 %. When you perform hook rescue, after 3 seconds, receive a notification if the killer is coming to you.

The Bonus Bloodpoints are only awarded post-trial.

The notification will warn you if the killer is coming by looking at how fast the distance between you and the killer is getting smaller! If the distance between you and the killer is getting small real fast then the notification will go off after 3 seconds but it wouldn't if the distance between you and killer gets bigger or it's inconsistent!

Thoughts, opinions? Leave your civil feedback below!

Seriously...5 pages of comments but on my complex idea nobody said anything.

You asked for civil feedback...

@McCree said:

@Peanits said:
While I don't mean to steal your thunder, I also want to suggest a third option:

1. Remove the bloodpoint bonus from both, make that passive for everyone.
2. Add an effect to WGLF.

That way the end result is the same (faster progression for everyone), except that way you're not forced into using a specific perk just to level up faster. BBQ and Chili is a perfectly good perk on its own, you don't need extra bloodpoints to make it more desirable. I'd rather have that be a passive increase across the whole game. That way you're free to use another perk if it doesn't fit your playstyle.

I'd rather have a bonus perk slot just for those bp perks.

And not permanent double BP?

Jack11803 said:

@Well_Placed_HexTotem

If you actually read everything, you’d know how it’s important as you can spend money on both sides. Why is it hat if I want to level up survivors, I should play killer? If you play both sides, and the goal is leveling up; you’re argument gets thrashed

@Well_Placed_HexTotem said:
Jack11803 said:

@Well_Placed_HexTotem

If you actually read everything, you’d know how it’s important as you can spend money on both sides. Why is it hat if I want to level up survivors, I should play killer? If you play both sides, and the goal is leveling up; you’re argument gets thrashed

You need less BP to play the game optimally as a survivor. You can’t “thrash” that argument, because it’s simply a fact of life. 

Its also common sense that a killer will score more, they are constantly doing things that increase their score and they have four people to do them to as well while survivors have one.

And I’m saying they should change that. WGLF needs more ways to gain tokens. They should also add more score events for survival, as surviving doesn’t even fill it

@Sarief

So tell me, how come when survivors are afk, killer can still prosper, but not the other way around? How’s is that fair?

@Nickenzie said:
Jack11803 said:

@Nickenzie said:

Jack11803 said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Sarief

So tell me, how come when survivors are afk, killer can still prosper, but not the other way around? How’s is that fair?





I cant tell if those awesome are ironic or not...

I always give people "Awesomes" for being civil and explaining why something needs to be buffed/nerfed/reworked lol.

Oh. Awesome

I really do feel like WGLF should give you tokens on doing generators, destroying hex totems, opening the exit gates, stunning the killer, safe unhooking, and getting hit by the killer when he is carrying a survivor.

Yeah. Should be possible for all 4 people to get 4 stacks when killer is afk. It’s possible for killer when survivors are afk.

@Tsulan said:
Nickenzie said:

Jack11803 said:

@HP150 said:

BBQ has a secondary component because if it were strictly used for BP gain then no killer in his right mind would remove 1/4th of his perks for it while trying to rank up (we are, in theory, supposed to be trying to rank up, right?).

If someone takes WGLF then that's only 1/16th of the survivor team's perks.

While I agree the tokens should be more easily obtainable (the current requirements assume that a killer is doing well enough that there are plenty of unhooks to go around), a secondary effect is unnecessary. Perhaps make consistently hitting great skillchecks be a trigger for a token? Or repairing the equivalent of a full generator?

Yeah, it needs a buff. Tokens need to definitly be easier. Or simply require less

Agreed, WGLF needs more ways to earn stacks besides be limited to being altruistic!

Wanna know what will happen if WGLF awards stacks for gen repair or pallet stuns?
People will continue to do their gens while you struggle at the hook. Why should a survivor risk his life for a stack, if he could just get it safely by doing gens?
People are pretty selfish. Your change would result in more 1 hook deaths. 

That’ll make people commit more. Besides, at least it’d punish the ######### out of camping

@Tsulan said:
Nickenzie said:

Tsulan said:

Nickenzie said:

Jack11803 said:

@HP150 said:

BBQ has a secondary component because if it were strictly used for BP gain then no killer in his right mind would remove 1/4th of his perks for it while trying to rank up (we are, in theory, supposed to be trying to rank up, right?).

If someone takes WGLF then that's only 1/16th of the survivor team's perks.

While I agree the tokens should be more easily obtainable (the current requirements assume that a killer is doing well enough that there are plenty of unhooks to go around), a secondary effect is unnecessary. Perhaps make consistently hitting great skillchecks be a trigger for a token? Or repairing the equivalent of a full generator?

Yeah, it needs a buff. Tokens need to definitly be easier. Or simply require less

Agreed, WGLF needs more ways to earn stacks besides be limited to being altruistic!

Wanna know what will happen if WGLF awards stacks for gen repair or pallet stuns?
People will continue to do their gens while you struggle at the hook. Why should a survivor risk his life for a stack, if he could just get it safely by doing gens?
People are pretty selfish. Your change would result in more 1 hook deaths. 

@Tsulan
If a survivor let's you die on the hook then it's gonna come back later to bite them. With less survivors, it will be harder to do generators since you're more likely to be found repairing a generator. If there was more survivors then you could easily repair a generator since the odds are that the killer would find another survivor to chase while patrolling buying you time to complete a generator and earn your stack.

Additionally, you'll still get stacks for unhooking so unhooking someone will always be priority if you want to get stacks. My change just makes the perk fit your play style more if you don't like to be altruistic.

But gens are more important. Survivors will just gen rush and get stacks for it while you die on the first hook.
2 minutes is more than enough to finish 3 gens.

If they can unhook faster than they can complete that gen, they’ll do it. It’ll only go down like what you said if it’s hard to unhook them, IE: killer is patrolling. In that case; good, let that killer get screwed six ways to sunday