The BIlly Circlejerk

The nerfs given to billy are showing people the direction that the devs may intend on taking when making new killers and addons, or when reworking old ones. Non billy mains have just as much of a right to be vocal about the nerfs as billy mains. If we look at billys addons, nearly all of them are either usless or come with tremendous drawbacks. This is nearly the exact same as the nurse nerfs. The both had cooldowns slapped onto their kits and were given a lot of useless addons. It boils down to the idea that, "My main isn't being nerfed, but what will happen if/when they are nerfed/reworked."

Nurses power is fundementally broken. It's not something that you can compare to other killers powers as it removed a core feature if used properly, that being looping. Billy can't be compared to nurse as their are places where he can't use his saw. Billy also doesn't have to rely on his power for chases while nurse does.

Well it is your own fault for clumping up early game against a Billy, that's just how it is. The same would happen against an Oni.

Oni would one shoot us on the first gen with his m1 attack how?

He just gets one M1 and he wins the game. If you are a good Oni.

I'm not saying that some of billys old addons weren"t overpowered and needed changing. What I am saying is that he was given far yo many addons that will be completely useless. For example, who thought it was a good idea to give him 2 addons tied to flashlights, an item that may not be in your game and may not be effectively used.

Also, if it was indeed the addons that caused billys strength, then why did he get the overheat mechanic. This is the same case as nurse. People camplained about her overpowered addons, so she got a ton of useless addons and a decent cooldown on her power.

Yes, Billy did need a nerf/ slight rework this is where you and I agree. But that's where our agreement ends. If they wanted to remove insta chainsaws, they could've made the add-ons that did that not stackable, they didn't need to touch his base kit in that instance. If they wanted to nerf his basekit, they didn't need to also nerf all his add-ons, that's not how you balance things. They nerfed both basekit and add-ons, and they did it too hard.

I personally love Legion design-wise but he's probably the weakest killer whose power can only down if the survivor literally goes AFK. I think that's stupid ability design and should be changed. Considering there's killers like Myers and Oni who can shut down an entire team in one ability pop, meanwhile Legion goes amgery, stabs two to four guys and then his eyes go owchie and he needs to go into a corner while survivors mend up and continue doing their thing.

I don't understand why people are whinging and complaining about Billy. Old Billy is the brainless "Look at me covering the entire map for 4-5 seconds, gotta go fast" whereas now his ability is more meaningful and requires and rewards strategical thinking "Okay, do I keep my ability so I can hopefully down one or two people or do I use it to shorten the distance between me and them?"

You are literally doing the definition of an Ad hominem attack: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem#:~:text=1%20%3A%20appealing%20to%20feelings%20or,personal%20attack%20on%20his%20rival

Instead of attacking the argument itself and presenting evidence, you simply attack the character of the person, which is irrelevant to whether the argument is good or not.

If those are the reasons for the changes to Hillbilly I wish the community managers would be honest enough to say so.

As an aside, if a strong Billy was op against newer players then the solution, as always, is matchmaking, not kneecapping characters that some players find fun to use as killer.

billy was perfectly balanced the way he was.

devs gutted him --> community dissatisfied

legion was the most broken and unfun killer to both play and verse in the entire game.

devs FIXED them --> community happy (happy is a strong word, most arent happy with how legion is currently performing, but lets be honest: 99% of the people prefer current legion over the old one)

the reason no one complains about the legion changes is, because they were needed for the overall health of this game.

the reason why everyone complains about billys change is, because this was not at all needed and just ended up gutting who was widely known as the "most balanced killer in the game".

Add On rework? yes please (they really were over the top)

Basepower rework? HELL NO!

ooooh boi there are a LOT of things wrong with your statements buddy...

everyone hated old legion.

thats one of the very few things both, the killer AND the survivor community agreed on: old legion had to go.

so if one of us is in a "vocal minority", its definitely you.

Ehm not to be a burst you bubble but riot games does exactly that. They balance around the upper half of the competitive ladder and the pro players.

They only design skins depending on popularity of the masses. Otherwise noob depending balance would totally wreck the pro play.

A good example is senna or aphelios. They nerfed both because they made them noob friendly with big numbers (like every new champ) and then tone them down according to win rate in rankeds, not normal games. You can still wreck ppl with both but you need more skill to do it.

Back to topic, bhr themselves don't play in the skilled matchups (rank 10 upwards) and thus have likely no idea how really good ppl play their roles ( I myself am only rank 10 since I prefer to play lol with my friends without paying on cost of 1 guys fun).

Over preforming ? Anyone who quoted that

Yall got any data ?

Cuz I see alot of escapes on that

Mate, have you considered that these streamers are just ordinary people with their own opinions? The fact that most of them and people on these forums are saying that this change to hillbilly is unnecessary and very badly done kind of suggests that it really is an awful change.

I'm pretty much always solo when play survivor and I never found billy to be overwhelming to go against. Can he be a pain in the butt to go against? Sure. But alot of this came from team mates who just didnt know what to do against him and alot of the time panicked, but this was true for ANY killer I'd go against.

It only seems to be certain profiles on these forums that approve of this(not saying names) who seem to be a vocal minority with this topic

Except it's not just streamers that are saying it's bad, nearly everyone is. Streamer opinions shouldn't be held higher or lower than anybody else, they are players of the game just like we are,who happen to broadcast what they're doing.

Like I said before, ANY killer can over perform against bad survivors. But then again bad survivors shouldn't be put against killer players who are that good, that's a match making/ emblem system problem rather than a billy problem

The change will make it significantly easier for perfect survivors, a perfect survivor group was always very hard to go against even with hillbilly. They'd force you into a situation where you either m1 and chase them normally or just keep revving the chainsaw in the hope you'd get a hit but never getting it due to windows.

Bad Billy's would waste to much time trying to get the m2 rather than the m1 and end up wasting alot of time and could get beaten very easily because of this. Now yes his instant down could be massive against bad survivors, but how is that different from, myers, ghost face, oni and leather face? His map pressure, his snowball effect? All the other instant down killers can also do this to, especially oni.

All this change does is make his addons extremely ridiculous and gimmicky and makes his power fustrating to use even of you use it right. I agree that killers shouldn't be able to 4k easily against anyone (I never felt this way with billy)but I do not agree with killers feeling like an absolute sweat fest to play well or correctly just to keep up with even average survivors

You clearly don’t know Otz,

Exactly as goatslinger said, Legion was a hotly debated topic for ages.

The only circle jerk happening with Billy are the people all attacking one another when in reality they all want to release their pent up anger on kissing one another!