The BIlly Circlejerk
The streamer Circlejerk around billy is funny to watch, he's been overperforming compared to other killers for years now, there has never been a time where he wasn't one of the top, he completely invalidates half the roster and ppl are crying because his power has a downside now.
Meanwhile nobody was saying "oh, they gutted legion to hard and basically made him an even more boring m1 killer"
Streamers don't care about balance, they are about what's fun to THEM since they are spending an absolutely bonkers amount of time in this game, watching a billy destroy lowrank teams with ease because new survivors cannot deal with the mappressure and chainsaw was absolutely ridiculous.
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Im i supposed to know who that is?
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I can't speak for most of the streamers, but Otz played Billy very infrequently in recent months because he didn't find him as interesting as most of the other killers. If he's this vocally against the changes when he isn't even playing him frequently anyway...I feel like that's indicative of there being an actual problem.
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No it's not, if he has no clue about billy then he's literally bandwagoning most likely for views as many streamers and youtubers will milk the ######### out of this.
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I'm happy that they nerf him some games against Billi snowballed so fast that they ended before they truly started
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Considering its otz I don't think he's bandwagoning mate
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Nobody said they gutted legion? You new bro?
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Billy was perfectly balanced. All killers should be on par with billy so they can balance the game. If it’s too hard for survivors than give survivors a buff once all killers are par with billy. But instead they keep nerfing killers with cool downs and even gave billy one. This game is so easy as survivor now it’s going to be a walk in the park.
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Overperforming? Overperforming is a killer who takes not much skill and can 4k every single lobby of legacy survivors while you just put your first 100 hrs into the game.
Reality: put 4 legacy survivors against a legacy Billy and it's going to be 1 kill and 3 escapes. This is reality. Billy "overperforms" against noobs who only M1 at gens and that's it. But every killer overperforms against noobs.
Billy takes a tremendous amount of time and skill to master him, especially when you try to master every little trick and the most satisfying called curving. Billy has a very balanced basekit with enough depth.
U can try to call Freddy overperforming or Spirit, that would sound much more reasonable and would open serious and genuine discussions. But definetly NOT Billy.
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Billy nerf is fine, what's not fine is the addons with downsides
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Preach brother preach 🙌🏻
Billy was definitely overperforming, and made most other M1 killers worthless. It was bad for the balance of the game.
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Why is every post of you a total facepalm? He wasnt overperforming otherwise devs would not state they are happy how he performs.
I don't see how billy made trapper worthless. Still waiting for you to show off your billy skills as everything is so easy with him.
When you gonna upload?
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Billy mains speak openly against it. They have a clue, they know what they talk about. Otz explained why he is against it. You could take on his argumentation but I doubt you will.
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Actually I watched otz the second the PTB started and he was fair throughout his claims.
I've watched Otz for years and once people get to know him... he's a very sincere and honest person who portrays his views with hard evidence and conviction.
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The only reason I'm not saying that is because he never had guts to be gutted in the first place.
Plz buff Legion.
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Except those games do not happen regularly enough for 99,9% of the playerbase so why even talk about it, it's the same argument as with marth88's experiment, the devs know that a survivor squad will always beat ANY killer except nurse, should they balance a non-competitive game around 0.01% of the community? hell n.
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I like otz but man you sound so naive. Reminds me of my ex-GFs who thought I'd get a real sustaining job after meeting her since I'm such a genuine and nice guy.
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I guess him and OP enjoy trolling.
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You act as if every killer is a professional killer. If there are noobs on the survivor side so are noobs in the killer side. What's you point, I missed it.
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The point is that you CANNOT bring other killers up to Billy's level.
How would you bring up for example myers to his level?
Stalk would need to not be limited per survivor which would break addon balance.
Even weak billys can hold m2 against 90% of the potatoes that seemingly don't know what windows are, even freddy doesn't snowball this hard.
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So how about instead of using ad hominem you argue his points as to why he feels the way he does? If he has no clue, enlighten us why it is not bad and billy suddenly is S Tier.
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Now you bring a completely different topic to debate and dodged my question. This is messed up now. You just try find anything to stand as the winner of the discussion. I'm not going to deal with that unless you stick to our topic.
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Billy is still without even trying him better than: Clown, Myers, Wraith and he's probably on par with the new bubba. He's still gonna be a solid B tier due to having unlimited instadowns to punish survivor mistakes with.
Billy mains, totally not a biased opinion of ppl who will 4k for days without getting a single loss. Pure balance.
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Its evident a lot of killer mains are going to come crying to the forums and reddit because of this horrid nerf.
As Otz said, they should canalize that butthurt and put it into something productive, like giving feedback in the PTB feedback section.
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Billy doesn't need to be S tier, that's the whole damn point. The nerf will bring him down to still be solid, he'll just get reckt by perfect survivors 99% of the time now which is a whole different can of worms (maps, killer acceleration during loops, soundissues etc).
SoloQing against Billy was an absolute nightmare, even if you don't go down to his chainsaw, he'll just go around and find a teammate of you who will and then it's just an insane unrescueable snowball fest.
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I am the winner because the nerf will go through and the only ones affected by this are going to be what, the 15 people that actually are able to play billy to perfection? Who cares about them seriously.
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Ad hominem, no I'm just not a blueyed worshipper of personalities, how many times do you people need to get burned to see that people who seem the most genuine and loving can be the biggest asssholes ever, not saying otz is but just saying "oh he's so nice he must be right" is beyond dumb.
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Still waiting for you to actually refute his points because it is not about otz but what he said. So go ahead and enlighten us. Why he is wrong and it is all just a circle jerk as you claim.
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See, can't stay on topic. Grow little kid.
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You like Otz yet you're claiming he's pretending the changes are bad because that's what content creators do for views?
I find some of the changes terrible a few changes ok but I don't have any sinister motive for thinking so, I doubt anyone else does either.
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That is what you do not understand, people will not play an unfun killer. What you describe is a problem with matchmaking and boosted potatoes being in ranks they do not belong in. You know people who are not good yet. That is not a reason to change a killer because inexperienced players do have trouble dealing with him.
Also you are not a winner because you know what will happen? People will play other killers who make solo q even more of a nightmare like the nightmare or the spirit. I hope you enjoy that because both of them make for a totally unfun game. This is what happens and what will happen. Nurse was made unfun, bugged and thus her pickrate even went below the pickrate of the clown. Billy will also not be played.
Enjoy to rely on randoms vs spirit, freddy and pyramid head who encourages scummy gameplay like no other killer. Hope you are happy.
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A cedrtain percentage of all my posts are about the Legion tragedy. One day we shall have our justice and get buffed. One day
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Again, I don't need to refute them, the devs did it for me by nerfing billy, he was overperforming, end of story.
basically all big streamers touting how sad it is that billy is finally getting his comeuppance is called a circlejerk, especially considering many are not even playing him.
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This. Once that snowball started it was pretty much impossible to stop it. Unlike other killers Billys snowball could come right from the start of the game too whereas killers like Leatherface at least have to clear the map of pallets first, or Trapper has to set some good traps etc
All Billys had add ons so theres no point talking about base billy, and if you missed one chainsaw swing you could ready another in seconds and keep trying and trying and trying until you got the hit. Basically he would get someone eventually and the snowball would begin
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Even the biggest potato can run freddy for 30 seconds (unless STBFL) if he just tries to get distance. I'll prefer that over billy any day, thank you. Freddy mainly shuts down great loopers.
Spirit already gets picked alot and those games are never as snowbally altho you cannot simply hold W against her.
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End of story, you call something a circle jerk while being unable to refute any points. Got ya!
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Ah yes I see.
If your a billy main who disagrees with the nerfs, then you're just whinning about you're main getting nerfed.
If you don't main billy, then your're just hopping on the bandwagon.
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What is there to refute, you have no actual points. I can't take people seriously who have idols in the first place.
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Any decent freddy player gets a free hit at every loop. hf running tho, forever freddy is so fun. :4head:
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Are you confused or something?
You call the reactions of people a circlejerk who react to changes by the devs and express why these changes are bad. Than you at first say well the devs already refuted that which is utterly wrong. Than you do not even know what has been said but yet call it a circlejerk and when you actually being called out for it, you babble something about idols.
As it looks to me.
You have no clue what was said, you didnt bother to even get the info on what was said and yet call it a circlejerk. I gotta better things to do karen, bye.
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So basically same <bad word> different day.
They're also usually the ones who call survivor mains "cry babies" because they have legit nothing substancial to add to the conversation.
If they put as much effort into providing productive feedback instead of trying to be "loud" I think people would take them more serious.
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Weak bait.
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Your insults fall on deaf ears boy, you can yap and whine all you want, talk about "substantiated evidence" and reasoning, in the end the devs have the stats and decide to act accordingly. If Scottjund is able to 4k 32 times in a row with speedlimiter bubba I don't wanna know what a good curvebilly can do. It's the same situation as with nurse, both had it coming for ages and finally the devs are bringing the skillceiling of this game to a sane level.
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Exactly. Some people just go into the forums and say "nerf bad" without going into detail why just to expand the radius of the circlejerk. If they actually go into detail and try to make the devs understand why said nerfs are bad, maybe, just maybe they will listen.
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Tell me why would a non-billy main give a ######### about a billy nerf, is it fun to watch your team go down in seconds and then have no chance since this is a 4v1 game?
Same with people who called Nurse "fun" just because she took a load of skill while falling to her without a chance unless SWF'd up. If nobody told you back then that nurse was "fun" and required a ton of skill then you'd certainly not have fun playing against a character that warps through every defense that you have, same with billy but ofc in a much more believable context.
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Ah, I see you hail from the dimension where no one complained about Legion's nerf.
Hello!
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why would a non billy main give a #########? because they play billy sometimes. because they go against billy. because they know reworks and balance changes wont stop with billy and may come to their main some day, and if people dont tell the devs why they think the billy nerf is bad, then their main may become worse and/or less fun to play. just a few thoughts... by the way are you a billy main?
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Nah, I main PH right now since he's fun and I loved spirit and old freddy, heck on old freddy I only went merciless with no perks and addons till R3 when everybody said he was F tier. Currently I only play DBD casually tho.
If your killer gets nerfed he gets nerfed, it is what it is. I loved the pre-rework legion yet he got completely gutted into an M1 killer, there's not much difference to before in power, I'd argue he's even stronger esp with all the missing godloops now where old legion would not even be an issue but it is what it is.
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so thats it?... a nerf just is what it is? not willing to at least voice why you think a nerf, or buff, or rework might not be as fun?
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I can't tell if you just don't know what you're talking about or are trolling.
First of all, most survivors are trash at this game. If you cannot progress to red ranks, you are bad at this game, and considering the overall percentage of people who have achieved this, and the recent rank changes, combined with survivor entitlement, most survivors just suck. Billy crushes noob teams because most teams are noob teams.
He used to not be completely terrible before this rework, because base kit Billy kind of gets destroyed by actually semi-competent survivors, but considering how his base kit got a big nerf, and a lot of his new addons are trash (instead of the devs using their brains and just nerfing ######### like crack Billy or tuning guide/lube).
People like you just strike me as edgelords who want to be controversial for brownie points. The devs have once again demonstrated they're mostly incompetent, to the surprise of absolutely nobody.
Literally everyone acknowledges Legion is an awful killer, so you're either ignorant or lying. Streamers, like Otz, Scott, True, etc., people who understands this game, are saying that Billy was overnerfed because they're true. More strong killers improve the overall health and diversity of the game.
But as long as we have people like you who just want to be edgy and don't understand gameplay balance, combined with a dev team where no one is even past like rank 10, you get this awfully balanced game.
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LuL calling me an edgelord right before calling the devs incompetent while citing people without any credentials in either gamedesign or even some semblance of education. What a joke you guys are. I love how you cited true, the guy is slow to say the least, it's not even an insult it's just as he loves to say "a fact" those are people you want to design games?
With people like you I think Kanye West could become president in 2024
Nobody gives a ######### about the top 1% in this game, period. The devs need to balance the game for the people you call "noobs", they rake in the money and keep this game going, not your idols.
Even league of legends doesn't exclusively balance around the top 1% and that is an actual esports game with prizes.
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