When does slugging go too far?

pemberley said:

 I believe that slugging should be a valid tactic, but I just had a game with an unsportsmanlike Spirit who refused to hook, and even purposely let survivors bleed out. I was the last survivor and just as I was about to reach the hatch, THEN she picks me up and hooks me. She even stood over the door in a taunting manner. 

That sort of behavior has never happened to me before and not only is it not fair, but absolutely boring to go through

Due to mechanics, killers have little control of gen speeds without slugging. Give killers a reliable way to slow it down that isn't a hex or dying light. Survivors have to be forced to mit just do gens and that is slugging, hooking one by one is more punishing to the killer in terms of time. Time is on the survivors side, the killer who should be the one stronger party, struggles. I loop a killer for two gens and he sees another person nearby after I go down. If I'm hooked they lose a victim and that person is on a gen, continuing the countdown to the games end. The more survivors that are up, the weaker the killer side is. If you do the math of average chase time, gen completion time, hooking time, etc you'll see survivors have it well. 

Being slugged half the game, is boring. Or almost bleeding to dead because the killer is desperate for the 4k is also ######### boring.

@Chi said:
Being slugged half the game, is boring. Or almost bleeding to dead because the killer is desperate for the 4k is also [BAD WORD] boring.

I hear you on that point. However I ALWAYS hook the player eventually, even as Freddy. I am mainly just asking if I am considered a slugger because I leave 1 or 2 survivors on the ground for a limited time in order to be more effective? or yes, to get the 4 man?. However as a Killer who tries to play "Fair" if a game is taking too long and I simply cant find the last survivor, or no one is healing the guy I left down I will generally secure them on a hook for points, as well as to give them a chance of being rescued. Every time I try to be nice as a Killer though, survivors retaliate by making me eat a ######### sandwich. So it doesn't happen often; but their are times where I am a merciful killer lol

I never went full slugging until today. had a game where all 4 survs were immediately right on top of me when i downed the first person, so I dropped she crawled into a pallete zone, and so obviously i just screwed with the others. I had all 4 of them down in a probably 16 meter radius. It was ridiculous. I had no sluggin build or nothing. two of em had the perk to heal themselves from dying, So that happened but they didnt wait at all so i was nearly on top of them and put them right back on the ground both times.

I won with 4/4 but it was low point scoring cause it was my first hook on each. I didnt enjoy it. I doubt they enjoyed it. It wasnt my plan but im not gonna pick someone up when all 4 of you are right there @_@ definately one of my weirdest games

@DKOuToFConTRoL said:
As the killer I do not do that because it is so dull and cheeky. As the survivors its torture because as the downed person there is nothing you can do, I wish there was a way to [BAD WORD] on the ground kind of like letting yourself die on the hook. Slugging around for 4 minutes while the killer just stares at you makes me want to DC; I do not do that, but it is basically as bad as a game can be on the survivor side.

It can be said Unbreakable is there to get the survivor up, but if the killer is standing right there staring at them, that one up is not going to do them much good.

Well it is a tatic and tatic's can work better at certain times than other times..

pemberley said:

 I believe that slugging should be a valid tactic, but I just had a game with an unsportsmanlike Spirit who refused to hook, and even purposely let survivors bleed out. I was the last survivor and just as I was about to reach the hatch, THEN she picks me up and hooks me. She even stood over the door in a taunting manner. 

That sort of behavior has never happened to me before and not only is it not fair, but absolutely boring to go through

How was it not fair? Did you have a chance to hide and generally about detection? Did you have a chase where you could juke and attempt to lose the killer? Did you not get chased and downed like every other time you played the game? Did your team not have the ability to pick up downed teammates? The killer outplayed you. You had all the abilities to stop it but lacked the skill as a team to stop the killer. There is nothing unfair. You just don't like what happened.

The only problem I have with slugging is when you just slug them, and stay nearby for when they get picked up, just to down them again. Had a game today, where I got downed on my last hook, Pig puts a RBT on me, and just stayed nearby waiting for me to get picked up. I don't mind dying, just let me get to the next game, plus I refuse to DC. (I don't think there's any justified reason to DC, even if I get one hooked, I'll at least get a little bit of BP) Just let me move on to the next goddamn game instead of being forced to wait 4 ######### minutes. That's the only time I'll say it's too far.

The only time I ever slug is when I down a survivor and I immediately see another one, so I chase them a bit, or when everyone is swarming around a hook. Slugging is not fun and although survivors fun isn't my first priority, and I want to win, I will still try to make it as fun and fair as possible while trying to win.

I slug pretty hard as Nurse.

If I see multiple survivors, I'm chasing after every one of them.

Once I run out of targets, then I proceed to hook the bodies.

Slugging goes to far when you just let people bleed for no reason. You just stand there and watch them bleed.

@shadowsfall42 said:
The only problem I have with slugging is when you just slug them, and stay nearby for when they get picked up, just to down them again. Had a game today, where I got downed on my last hook, Pig puts a RBT on me, and just stayed nearby waiting for me to get picked up. I don't mind dying, just let me get to the next game, plus I refuse to DC. (I don't think there's any justified reason to DC, even if I get one hooked, I'll at least get a little bit of BP) Just let me move on to the next goddamn game instead of being forced to wait 4 [BAD WORD] minutes. That's the only time I'll say it's too far.

The only time I ever slug is when I down a survivor and I immediately see another one, so I chase them a bit, or when everyone is swarming around a hook. Slugging is not fun and although survivors fun isn't my first priority, and I want to win, I will still try to make it as fun and fair as possible while trying to win.

Pigs always slug, when you have an RBT on your head and the gens are done or the exit gate is open, just consider it a hook, you are dead until you finish playing "the game". As long as people are on the map, you have to play "the game". Its an effective way to partially secure a kill while the pig can leave you and maintain pressure on other survivors.

In a perfect world though, in a diabolical fashion, I'd give all killers the ability to mori people if they've bled out to 50%. But I like running 6 jigsaw boxes and throwing as many obstacles in front of survivors to slow the game down. Its not like they mind anyway. Survivors have it easy, so why make the game easier by playing the way survivors want you to play?

Slugging is a legit tactics, but it is weak. There are so many other exceptional tactics and builds. Slugging is like a build you'd go for if you're bored and you wanna be mean; or if you're inexperienced with how the game actually works. 

It's a newb strategy, don't @ me

@LightsOut88 said:

@Chi said:
Being slugged half the game, is boring. Or almost bleeding to dead because the killer is desperate for the 4k is also [BAD WORD] boring.

I hear you on that point. However I ALWAYS hook the player eventually, even as Freddy. I am mainly just asking if I am considered a slugger because I leave 1 or 2 survivors on the ground for a limited time in order to be more effective? or yes, to get the 4 man?. However as a Killer who tries to play "Fair" if a game is taking too long and I simply cant find the last survivor, or no one is healing the guy I left down I will generally secure them on a hook for points, as well as to give them a chance of being rescued. Every time I try to be nice as a Killer though, survivors retaliate by making me eat a ######### sandwich. So it doesn't happen often; but their are times where I am a merciful killer lol

Nah, slugging is fine then. I slug when playing killer too, to slow the game down just a little bit. It is a legitimate tactic. But playing as survivor and getting slugged for the 4k or instantly getting hit down when ya get up... It makes me want to DC so I can go on to the next game.

@yeet said:

@Chi said:
Being slugged half the game, is boring. Or almost bleeding to dead because the killer is desperate for the 4k is also [BAD WORD] boring.

then don't get downed

Unless I go full immersed, that is not an option.

Orion said:

@Chi said:

@yeet said:

@Chi said:
Being slugged half the game, is boring. Or almost bleeding to dead because the killer is desperate for the 4k is also [BAD WORD] boring.

then don't get downed

Unless I go full immersed, that is not an option.

So it is possible, you're just not willing to do it.

@Orion

Am I the only one who can't see what I wrote? Basically, if you don't go down in 15 seconds and keep killer busy long enough for team to recover you will end the slug as the killer will hook you, the strongest chaser needs to die or will kill the multiple man slug. 

@Chi said:

@yeet said:

@Chi said:
Being slugged half the game, is boring. Or almost bleeding to dead because the killer is desperate for the 4k is also [BAD WORD] boring.

then don't get downed

Unless I go full immersed, that is not an option.

its an option if you're good at survivor

pemberley said:

Zarathos said:

Here a quick fix to limit being slugged. Do not use ds. If you do and we killers know you have it we will slug your ass. At one point i ran knock out primarily only to deal with these kinds of people making sure you stayed on the floor. Whilst I'd hook and pick up the rest of the survivours. Nowadays i slug but bring rancour to properly punish people who use that perk. 

Something of note a killer will often switch up their tactics if the game isn't going well. So if as a team you finish 3 gens and no ones dead expect the killer to start slugging/tunneling or camping to try and eliminate a player. This is mostly because it very easy to lose a game hard if all 4 survivours are still up. 

I wasn’t using ds. I was just trying to play the game. And the Spirit would camp downed bodies at a distance only to not only knock them back down, but get their rescuer too. 

I agree that slugging is fine and fair game IF the killer plans to hook, but being forced to eat dirt a good portion of the match is boring and worse than camping. At least you can use camping to your advantage, even if it hurts you personally: stick around and buy time for your teammates or bleed out fast and move on. I never intentionally dc because dcing just ruins the fun for everyone and it’s usually a result of being a brat who can’t handle being down. So permaslugging is unfair and unkind. 

Once again, this is stopped by good survivors. Survivors should be recovering asap, time is against killers when you take math and mechanics into play, about 80 seconds per gen if one person is on it, gotta consider that. If a killer goes into a long chase, he will probably have to hook, once someone gets hurt and another is on thr ground, on of the two healthy should try for a save. Coordination beats slugging, you don't need to be swf to handle slugs.

Chi said:

@yeet said:

@Chi said:

@yeet said:

@Chi said:
Being slugged half the game, is boring. Or almost bleeding to dead because the killer is desperate for the 4k is also [BAD WORD] boring.

then don't get downed

Unless I go full immersed, that is not an option.

its an option if you're good at survivor

Even among the best survivors, not getting downed is not always viable.
I am not a good survivor btw, I am a decent one.

Yeh but if it's hard to slug multiple people killer will start hooking

I don’t see how standing next to a hatch and taunting before picking up a slugged survivor is any different from them teabagging a killer. Intimidation/trolling isn’t a rare phenomenon in multiplayer games lol

You never heard of deranking? if you slug everyone on the ground let them bleed out, you can Derank

It's not bannable or anything, the devs refused to add a surrender system for Survivors and Killers, which Identity V have