Why are devs not listening to the community at all?
When they nerfed legion,all he needed was to get rid of the moonwalk abuse,they destoryed him.
When nurse was nerfed all she needed was to get rid of her triple blink,they destroyed her.
When billy was nerfed all he needed was to get rid of his insta saw,they destoryed him.
See a patern here?At this point,I think devs purposely want to make old killers obsolete so the players will play the latest ones,especially the licensed killers.Also way to go devs,trying to make a fun killer like Billy not only bad,but unfun to play with frustrating cooldowns.
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The forums are probably at the most 10% of the population in total.
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I think a little bit more.
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I dont mind the Nurse rework that much
all she needs is being allowed to still gain her Blink charges while she is charging a Blink, thats all
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They do.
But I guess they put more thoughts into e.g. the Billy Nerf than most of the whiny people who complain about it.
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You would think, because they themselves don't even play the game, at least not both sides, they would listen to a source that actually does, maybe not the entire community, but at least well known streamers and top players. But instead they all play one side, usually survivor, get destroyed a few times and come to the conclusion that it wasn't their fault for losing, It was the killer being too strong, or the terrible team they had, not being strong enough.
After that instead of trying to see what they could have done better in that game, they have the power to just change the game so they don't have to adapt. If they actually knew what was wrong with Billy, they would have only changed his addons, in fact they would have only changed the charge and cooldown ones. But instead they decided even though the community is fine with a non-instasaw billy, and even though they themselves said they think he is perfectly fine as he is, Nerf his BASE KIT, and make literally all of his addons besides 3 worthless.
On top of that there are addons for new billy that literally do not change his power. There are 2 addons that have to do with flashlights. This would make sense, to compliment his teachables, Such as resistance to blindness after being hit by a pallet (enduring) But lightborn literally prevents being blinded in the first place and they literally JUST MADE IT THAT WAY.
This game could be so, so legendary, if just one, just ONE developer played the game at least 10 hours a week. I can't wait until they nerf Wraith too by making his bell shatter if he uses it too much.
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What part of the community? The survivors or killers? Less than 15% of the community communicates through the forums to begin with. Those are mostly divided. For instance, this forum is majorly biased towards killers. It's hard to "listen to the community" when a small portion is what you see and is mostly biased.
No, my concern is that they don't properly test their ideas thoroughly before release. The PTB is a joke. There should be a vetting process to get on the PTB. A reward for participating and strict rules of play while there. For instance, no DC'ing at all. No afk'ing. You are there to test changes, not screw around, so no farming either. Instead, we have a joke of a test server where all of the above occur. Many games that have test realms for players tend to either vet or enforce certain norms of play. It helps in actually testing the changes.
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Even their beloveds "Fog Whisperers" (at least Otz, Puppers and Tru3) are complaining about gen speed, Billy rework on PTB (I don't even play Billy guys, so hold your horses), gen speeds, the power of a coordinated SWF team (when Tru3 said that SWF is busted and even Otz admits that some teams you just can't hope to do something) but, guess what, the massive playerbase IS survivor (4 to 1, to be precise).
Yesterday or the day before, I remember that someone said in Tru3's chat that just playing killer is stressful, and He acknowledged it and said that it was a real problem, when you don't play something that you want (play as killer, in this case) 'cause you know no matter what It's going to be stressful.
I'm playing mostly Oni (I get the power bug every single game and need to cut a healty survivor to use my Blood Fury so...) and he can TRY to do something against overly altruistic teams, but lately all I get is teams with leader, BNP, Prove Thyself and all the crutch perks like Little D. Strike + Unbreakable, AdrenaWIN etc...
So, yeah, is stressful just to go in a lobby as a killer, the Devs apparently don't listen do part of the playerbase (and to the Fog Whisperers in some extent), and time after time we get unnecessary killer nerfs (the complaints about Billy were his add-ons and now he'll get nerfed to the ground) while the little pearls that are the survivors get a perk that gives you unbreakable + "BT" if you're cursed by a hex, so survivors can continue not givin a single ######### about ruin (that functions in some killers that have good gen pressure, or legion that can annoy the ######### out of you) while get a freebie "get up by yourself".
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They are listening.
The problem is that players and people in general dont know what they actually want. Just because you think you want something does not mean that it is a fact. On top of that, most people are not aware of cause and effect.
Here is a simple example: I used to play a game years ago where loot was very rare but people played it to death. But they spammed the forum with "buff the loot" for ages. After a while the devs gave in and buffed the loot so everybody got what they wanted.
After they had what they wanted, people stoped playing and / or complained that the game is boring now. The game died within months (after it was alive for years)
Was this the fault of the people? No, it was the devs fault by not beeing aware of the #1 game developer rule. Listen to yourself, the publisher and the audience and figure out what they REALLY want instead just doing what they think and say they want.
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Legion was already weak to begin with, it was just that players abused his power. Basically nothing changed.
Nurse was far too strong, and is still the most powerful killer. Basically nothing changed.
Billy had infinite power, that was changed. Hes still A-tier. Basically nothing changed.
But cause were here to complain, that wouldnt fit in well, if you have to look at the reality.
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so true,in the end the game is made for the community not the devs,why dont they listen do the community,they obviously dont play the game much,I will never understand why so many devs force their ideas that obviously dont work on a community that shows dislike on them
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billy was changed you can only backrev now all mindgames/featuring is gone cause you overheat to fast
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- Don't confuse the forums with "the community". The forums are a tiny minority of all players.
- Don't confuse "listen" with "do". Just because someone listened to your idea doesn't mean they have to do it. We're not their employers, we're customers. We can provide feedback and that's it. They're under no obligation to do as we say.
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I think the more telling thing that devs should pay attention to is that I don't think any streamers have touched the PTB since day one because it in general and Hillbilly in particular were a hot mess. I would think they'd pay attention to that because, while streamers are themselves a minority, they're a small group that reaches out to a much, much bigger one. Sort of like how that D/C Penalty hack was being looked into very soon after it got Tru3Ta1ent banned for 72 hours.
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just ignore him,its not worth it
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ok
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I dont know the game Depth, but it looks interesting. Apparently it is not very popular and seemingly not growing. I can not judge if this is a prime example on how to do it.
Not sure where the obvious problems in DbD are. Everybody sees it a little bit different, and just because some on this forum are complaining about genspeed does not mean anything. This here is maybe representing 1% of the community, if even and only because many here are longtime gamer does not mean our opinion values more then others.
Just put it in perspective and look alone the controverse we have here. Some say Genspeed is fine, some say its not. Some think a certain killer is to weak and the other half even think he is to strong.
A good example would be you and me. I dont have any issue with bugs, its the least problem i see in this game, same with genspeed. On the other side, i absultly think Deathslinger should be reworked completly, because his mechanic is a mess or that Nurse is still totally overpowered. Not everybody would agree, even tho i am 100% sure i am right. I hope you my point.
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i know otz has been saying that he keeps giving them advice on balancing perks/killers/maps but they dont listen to him he said something like "ive been trying to help them balance out perks and such but i guess they have there own ideas and thats okay its their game"
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Give us double engravings back -.-. I don't want to be m1 killer
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While it's true that the developers ignore almost every piece of feedback that the community gives them, there is a very good reason for this: most of us are selfish arseholes with opinions in direct and equal opposition.
That's honestly the likely source of their stats-worship as well, though it doesn't excuse their incompetent data gathering and analysis. I'm sorry, Devs, but any statistician worth their salt could tell you to look at the hard facts behind the chart in order to understand it, not just at the chart itself.
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I mean sure but it's the main way they open themselves up to feedback and twitter and the billy changes have been just as negatively recieved, so if the forums dont represent the player base then ehsts the point of them in the first place, cause it certainly isnt promoting non toxic community making, most of the threads on this site are about people bitching about camping, tunneling, DS, and DH.
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^^ this 100% you can listen to somebody but you dont have to do it. Heres an example: you and a freind are on the swings(i dunno) and a karen says to get off. You can listen and hear her but you dont have to do it. I dont kniw if that was the best example but hopefully the rest of yall get it.
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Yeah just look at king,by far the biggest shill on youtube for dbd.
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They do listen to the community, but they also have their estabilished path for where the game must go and the community is not privy to the grand scheme of things.
I believe the Billy nerf, which leaves me very sad anyway, is part of a general balancing of the game. With reworking maps and other features to be introduced, Billy's power being insta-down mobility on-demand would have probably presented a complicated outlier to be reconciliated in a general game balance, considering that none other killer power works like that.
Let's be real, they invested resources to make the overheat mechanic, it's not getting reversed. I still hope they'll significantly tone down the penalties on it, though.
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I agree with the first two really, I think Legion and Nurse are both pretty much fine, Legion could do with some more QoL tweaks such as not losing your power after an m1 attack anymore.
While I pretty much agree with 2/3 of your reasoning and your point, I think current PTB Billy is C tier personally and I've even seen a few tournament level survivor players calling him D tier. I think he's genuinely been gutted.
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They do listen to the community, that's why things keep getting nerfed
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they only release new dlc, ignoring the balance and bugs of this game
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