Yet another game lost to second chance perks.

this happen alot when gate are open second chance perks are over powered when EGC starts.

@MadLordJack it's entitled to expect that a survivor won't try to escape utilizing their perks, yes.

And yes, Slowdown and Second-Chance definitely overlap since that's what the current meta is...both sides use that meta because they hate the others meta and know to expect it. So they equip their roles meta to counteract it.

I hate the meta, it should be Rotation Pressure vs Chase Outplay.

When the gens are done I always camp the last hook and survivors always complain about it and I will continue to camp the last hook. Anything else is stupid, bird in the hand and all that. OP is correct, DS, BT, adrenaline is nothing but a free escape with no consequences. In many games survivors will just walk right out due to these perks but it's part of the survivor friendly game this is.

NOED is completely counterable, and is high risk high reward. Second chance perks, the only way to counter them, well, is to wait or slug or don't hit the same person twice, and if they use this aggressively, like in his match where he was body blocked by the bt unhooked surv and then DS'd, near the exit gate, well if he left him on ground, he would just crawl out the exit gate, the second guy probably already left. There was no counter to what happened. Thats the problem. Second chance perks "counters" punish the killer, and playing into them punishes the killer, and thats the problem when they're used aggressively. No counter except for "get f'd" is poor design. Not a single killer perk that gives as much of an advantage as taking away a hook like second chnces do is in the game, and the ones that are in the game are completely counterable by totems or adaptive playstyle, like devoir hope or noed or ruin or pop, they are all counterable.

Killers have to play in a some form of shady way, there is just not enough time in a game to get all 12 hooks, it's impossible, if the survivor are just decent. Slug, patrol or camp and tunnel if the situation calls for it, survivors have control of the pace of the game for the most part.

Your suggestion that killers don't have anything comparable to give them an advantage is just plain wrong. Insta downs take away a hit just like 2nd chance perks give them.

I Didn't say they didn't have anything comparable, I said that the things they have thag are comparable are counterable

You just explained why no one should have sympathy for your loss at this point. "Survivor teams have at least 1 moron that falls for tunneling and facecamping"

Well in your instance you just became that thing but killer side by being complacent in the middle of the match and "being nice".

Why on gods green earth, would you ever start hook pressure by an exit gate after all the generators are done.... you're making us killers look bad....

Its a predictable strat at this point dude....if you see them trying to force you to do anything near a hook just slug them and wait out the timer.....they aren't going anywhere....also, even if its 1 gen left or end game, don't hook near the exit gates....unless you're myers or billy or leatherface or you can pull a ghost face just....pull them closer to the middle of the map, you get a decent amount of time to move people to the hook you want just....don't be afraid to take that time.

NOED high risk/high reward?! Absolutely not. There’s no risk whatsoever. If it doesn’t activate, that means the survivors gave you time cleansing totems, so you still benefited. High risk means running something that may give you no value at all. NOED is basically a win/win.

”The totem”? You know there can be up to 5 of those dulls to prevent it, right? Terrible comparison to Legions power, not the same thing at all. Ok, so you are saying there’s no difference in time with a game where survivors spend time cleaning multiple dulls to prevent NOED vs completely ignoring them. Gotcha. Killer receives no benefit whatsoever with that time spent not on gens. Makes perfect sense.

I don’t think you know what high risk/high reward even means.

At first it’s not smart to hook a survivor near the exit gate.

Killer complain about second chance perks but killers have a lot of counter against them: bt: leave hook, go for the unhooker, use insidious or a stealthkiller; ds: slugging, eat it in the early game; unbreakable: pick up earlier or camp the slug, adrenalin: defend the gens... and killer have 2nd Chance perks to like bloodwarden or noed and they can slug for the 4k.

Why killer don’t understand that the game wants a balance around 2k? So sometimes you get 0k, sometimes 2k and sometimes 3 or 4k...

All this 2nd chance label is just a made-up slogan with very little basis. Perks are enhancement, for both sides. Nothing more. They had to use '2nd chance' perks to counter your '2nd chance' ability built into your basekit aka camping and tunneling. You failed preventing the generators from being completed and you can't catch them again if you leave the hook. No problem. 2nd chance by just staying with the hanging guy. See what I did there? Get over it, nobody would play a game called 'get rehooked in 1 second simulator'. That's how Deathgarden died out. You have your '2nd chance' basekit, they have to sacrifice slots for their '2nd chance' perks. Learn and move on, none of this stuff is a cheat card to a win.

Two tips:

• in the endgame, hook as far as possible from the gates.
• if they get out, don't get mad. They already completed the larger part of their objective and they've already a foot out the door, figuratively. If you manage to get many kills in the endgame, it's more a bonus for you, not some great accomplishment or amazingly skilled gameplay.

kind of like low risk high reward. Most survivors wont do dull totems unless their running inner strength or just want points. either way its still mostly a crutch perk like ds and stuff like that.

Those may be possible countermeasures but survivor found ways to even negate these counters.

Bt: survivor hook bomb the killer so there is not really a choice to leave (even when the killer is not camping)

DS: slug is covered by unbreakable, eating it early is the ONLY counter at this point

Unbreakable: DS covers the early pick-up, camping a slug makes you lose even more pressure on the other survivors

Adrenaline: really, "protect gens".... Where did I hear something similar... Oh right the counter for noed... Do bones 🙄

The problem is a 3k doesn't feel like a win since you could not finish your objective (kill) completely. It is just like getting second place in a competition, like the saying second place is first loser. 2 kills feel like bronce: "hey atleast I got something" and only 1 kill is the participation award. 0k is simply getting stomped or robbed of any feeling of accomplishment.

The escaped survivor on the other hand gets a sense of accomplishment if just he himself gets out in form of "yay I made it". The only downside is useless altruism in a videogame that lets survivor trying to save everyone.

I, for my part, changed my view of winning so I don't get depressed by this game. Getting everyone hooked for my BBQ and I am satisfied to keep the match going no matter how many escape but against good survivors even this goal can get frustrating.

@burt0r

Sure some survivors find and use counter against counter but than they have to use two perks (DS & unbreakable) only for this situation. And if a survivor farm the hooked survivor you have to be smart and see him near the hook, so you can grab or hit him and that’s a free hit.

And you said: „3k don’t feel like a win“... Why not? You only have to accept the balance around 2k. You never lost a other game in your life?? Nobody wins always, that’s part of a game! And look at the other side: if every killer get always 4k there are four other player (survivor) who can’t „win“.

I have days when I escape maybe 2 of 10 matches and I‘m a rank 1 survivor. On these days I’m far far away from the 50/50 balance, but I can still enjoy a lot of this games cause I earn bloodpoints and emblems and have fun.

The problem with the DS/ unbreakable combo is that it does not get used by just SOME survivors but the majority. But this would only lead back to the endless meta discussion.

And it seems you didn't read the last part of my post. I don't care about kills anymore. I play dbd not even regularly, just from time to time. My only staple perk that I try to get on all my killers is BBQ to counter the up to 1.5 billion bp grind.

I am a killer-only player at rank 13 since yesterday. It would be far to unenjoyable for me to try hard this game to get to red ranks which mean nothing outside of the game.

Edit: Ah I forgot something. I played from rank 17 to 10 two weeks ago and in this time I faced 12 of 16 perks as meta/second chance/whatever perks on average even there, not in exclusively in the red ranks.