60 seconds DS is an abuse

I'm going to have nightmares tonight, thanks.

You don't even have to believe the man. Dozens of streamers have this happen to them over and over again you're just too lazy/deluded to see it.

Puppers has said DS is busted, Tru3 has said DS is busted, Fungoose has said DS is busted, you want everyone to believe it's just a "vocal minority" that thinks DS can be abused way too easily.

I- I applaud that victory.

For DS I think it should rapidly drain the timer or have it shut off early if you touch a gen, heal someone (being healed and self-healing is fine though.), touch a totem, (EDIT: On second thought, what if someone's doing the totem because they want to activate inner strength and heal? Maybe only lit totems since you're trying to destroy a killer's perk slot?) start unhooking, start saboing a hook, etc. MAYBE using a flashlight but that's pushing it.

There you go, DS is still anti-tunnel (Killer returns to the hook, etc.) but once a survivor decides he feels safe enough that he can continue progression of the match by working on a generator, he's forfeits protection of DS.

You can still run from the killer. Other survivors can still heal you, you can search chests and Jigsaw Boxes, cleanse at a Plague Fountain, snap-out-of-it, grab a Freddy Clock, etc. (things done in self-preservation that don't progress the gamestate) and you'll still have the same protection of DS as always.

Just if you get unhooked, immediately run over to generator and start repairing it, or try to unhook a survivor, you can't argue you're being tunneled at that point if the killer finds you. I hate a pet peeve for when survivors are on gens, you go over, and they just hide in a locker so you can't slug them, or someone "Hook-Yeets" with DS up, you grab-interrupt them mid-unhook, but get DS'd anyway.

DS would still offer good protection from genuine tunneling, just it can't be "abused" (I can't really call it abusing a perk, but it's the best way I can describe it) as 60 second god mode window to do the objectives or make borderline suicidal plays. (Rushing up to the killer as he hooks someone to unhook in his face before the hooked survivor's scream can even finish, since if he DOES grab you, you'll get to DS him.)

I have heard someone mention this system should also deactivate DS if you're healed back to healthy, and I disagree because I think if you get unhooked by someone with We'll Make It, they heal you, and a BIlly chainsaws back to the hook and chooses to go after you rather than the David that unhooked you, even though you're at full health, it's still tunneling. However this WOULD mean you can't use DS after being unhooked with Adrenaline, but I think this is more of an issue with DS in the endgame and not adrenaline.

I do think DS at the exit gates is pretty annoying but the "meta" at endgame is for a killer to camp (I can't blame him since there's no generators to defend at that point and leaving the hook usually results in a rescue) and try to grab unhookers.

That's my 2 cents on DS. I do think it needs some changes. Keep it at 60 seconds, just those 60 seconds are to be healed, make distance from the killer, etc and once you decide you feel safe enough you can start progressing the match by working on gens or unhooking, you're no longer afforded the protection of DS.

"Locker-DS-Tech" would still exist, but that's if you're genuinely tunneling. Survivors can't work on a gen, then hop into a locker as you get close anymore.

That is the most nightmarish sweat squad I've ever seen. Midwhich with 4 OoO's and DS??? Dear lord BHVR nerf this #########' perk already...

I RARELY come across killers that play like that and I play a LOT. To balance a game based on a small amount of players that do something isn't the move chief. I'm not saying DS should be gone just needs to be changed up so it's not so hardcore on killers. Any decent team of survivors running DS can waste a lot of killers time especially using locker techs.

Ds Is supposed to be an Anti-tunnel perk but thats not what it is. Survs use it as a weapon against the killers and it needs to have its timer lowered or activation changed

The second video, the problem is those survivors who seek to abuse everything they can.

Devs should balance (thinking) about the most abusable point of all perks.

First of, i am a survivor main, but i play both sides. And i never run DS, because i don´t get those tunneling killers often enough to use the perk slot for it. But i also don´t go looking for the killer once i get unhooked.

I really don´t think DS is the issue. I had lots of games as killer and survivor, where even 3 people running DS didn´t make a difference. Because i play solo survivor most of the time.

For an swf, it is just another powerful tool to go after the killer, and i think thats the issue here. Solo´s don´t do that often, because they never know if their fellow survivors will come and pick you up in time after the killer downed you again. Solo is not realiable enough for this kind of play (aside from specific unhook-at-the-open-gate-situations).

So the real issue is once again swf, not the perk itself. Because i bet all those coordinated attacks you experience were from swf. I play in red ranks as survivor, and i get potatos so often, i can´t belive this is a common experience in solo survivors.

DS needs to deactivate if you perform action which progresses your game as a survivor such as; go repair a generator to save other survivor. If you can repair gens you aren't being tunneled, just carried with 60 second crutch. Otherwise DS would be fine

if you are playing well enough to get a hook and re-down the same survivor within a minute the killer is playing much bettre than those 2 survivors and deserves the hook. DS needs to be condition based not time based

Why the deflection of conversation. This is a killers rage about taking ds from a possible tunnel or not possible tunnel. Stay on topic lol