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Complaining about BT makes no sense
Yes, yes, I know, you are already yelling at me for daring to say something so offensive, but bear with me for 5 seconds. I will make this extremely clear and short.
The following scenarios can happen:
1.You were planning to camp: BT did it's job, nothing more to say.
2.You don't camp and leave the hook: the hooked survivor will get unhooked and BT won't come into play. Now you have 1 healthy survivor(the unhooker) and 1 injured survivor(the unhooker) off gens, with one that needs to heal. Since you left the hook, you need to search for a survivor to chase.
3.You don't plan to camp, but a survivor rushes the hook with BT before you can leave: you get a hit on the unhooker, the unhooked survivor tanks a hit with BT. Now you have 1 injured survivor(the unhooker), 1 survivor that needs to mend and heal(the unhooked survivor) and you also have your next target to chase(any of the 2 survivor), no need to waste time searching for a new target.
Therefore, the math clearly says that survivors rushing the hook with BT when you had no plans to camp is actually in your favor. If they rushed the hook but you still planned to camp, see #1. There can be slight differences in #3, like the unhooked survivor not being able to tank the hit and you downing the unhooker, which is even more in your favor.
Remind me again, why are you complaining about BT if you are not a camper?
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I would also say that it can serve as an anti-tunnel perk for the survivor who has been rescued from the hook. It's a pretty good perk that punishes the killer for camping.
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You must not play Killer often, do you?
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BT really shouldn’t be complained about, but it is. It’s a sad world.
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Yeah, this perk should be basekit in my opinion to fix camping and tunneling.
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That's not an argument, sorry. I listed 3 scenarios with clear details. If you don't agree with anything I said, clearly point out what it is and why you think I am wrong.
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I do and I have no issue with BT. Do you have an actual argument?
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Same with NOED and other perks
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The perk itself is fine. During endgame it's annoying, since defending the hooked survivor is sometimes the only thing you can do as killer and BT guarantees in most cases a free escape.
Baiting a BT-Hit is fine, too, but don't complain about tunneling then, you had enough time to run away.
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But this topic is about BT darlin’. :[
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I actually don't have a problem with BT. But he's still incorrect for one of his scenarios. BT isn't in anyone's favor except Survivor and to state otherwise is just blatant disregard for actual game play compared to on paper.
Also don't need to make an argument. It's called a difference of opinion. Jesus.
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The problem with BT is you can unhook while you get chase whitout getting punish so the perk reward bad play
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true
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Bt is a bullshit perk which is stupidly strong in endgame. Even if you camp the last guy you're not even sure to get the kill. It makes survivors in the power role, and this makes no sense.
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I mean in most cases no, there's no reason to hate on bt. But we're kidding ourselves if we pretend like people don't use it as a way to force killers to hit them instead of trading their rescuers in because they wanted to rescue when the killer is around.
On its own bt is fine. but its disgusting when every survivor runs it and pairs it with DS plus unbreakable/DH combowambo.
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It’s bad game design. If the Perk is designed entirely around saving someone who’s in a bad spot, the person you saved shouldn’t be able to use themselves as meat shield for your reckless, tactless plays with no consequence to anyone involved. It rewards Survivors for playing poorly and punishes the Killer for literally just existing.
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Much like ds in theory the perk is fine..in practice its abused
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BT is fine but it should be deactivated in endgame, along with ds.
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Like many have stated, it is a defensive perk that is being used as an aggressive attack. This is annoying but not insurmountable during normal play (though I do L the F O L when I get the "Why'd you tunnel bro?!?!!?" messages when I decide to go after the BT Body Blocker instead of the unhooker) but in EGC, it's an invincibility perk that literally has zero defense against it.
Is it the worst perk in the world when it comes to abuses? No. But that doesn't make the times when it is abused incredibly annoying for you as the killer.
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There are more situations than the 2 or 3 you listed.
One being, you hook someone during EGC, and their (1-3) fully healed teammates bt rush and save them, making your 1k now a 0k because you have too many bodies and extra hits to down someone.
I'm not against BT, but it's not ONLY useful against bad killers. It works against good ones too given the right circumstance.
Or my favorite, use BT to swap hooks with someone about to die, giving everyone essentially 4 hook stages worth of time to do work instead of being down to 3 people.
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I dont have a problem with most perks. I have a problem with how people chose to use them. If you have BT and im playing killer, that's fine. I go after the person who did the unhook anyway. I play the type of killer I want to play against. I neither camp nor tunnel. Bring it on.
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The ONLY way I see BT used is to facilitate unsafe unhooks. That needs to end.
BT should be distance and time based. If a Killer is within 20 meters for over 15 seconds without there being a Survivor within that distance, only then can BT activate.
It still punishes campers, but it will not facilitate unsafe unhooks.
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Complaining about DS makes no sense. Most of the people who complain about it go ahead and tunnel off hook.
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It's totally manageable on both sides. As a survivor it allows them more of a chance to escape without being downed immediately after being rescued and also allows them to just escape if there's a killer babysitting them.
As a killer it just two hits to get them into to dying. Or you could just chase them until the timer ends and they go into dying anyways. Plus you could always just go for the grab when they attempt a rescue to use BT
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As a survivor main I commend you for your sportsmanship
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Apparently every perk that survivors use to their advantage is “abuse”.
How is using endurance gained from BT to body block abuse? It’s just logical, especially if I’m running DS or it’s endgame.
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Mostly I just find the intentional body blocking annoying. Seriously stand around to body block me with bt and I will tunnel you for irritating me after waiting the timer out.
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If you don't have STBFL, the unhooked survivor tanking a hit can allow both the the unhooked survivor and the survivor that saved to create a ton of distance.
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BT is an insanely strong perk and arguably OP. That's like saying enduring+spirit fury be basekit.
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Whataboutism. But you are right.
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This.
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People with bt unhook also IN A CHASE. Then the unhooker person bodyblocks the killer so he cant go for the unhooker and is forced to hit the bt. Ussually what I do in this situation is that i dont care about the game anymore and i am going to make sure that survivor dies.
A lot of.survivor perks are easily abused for how big of the effect they have.
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I don't have an issue with BT anymore because I remember the days when it applied to both. There was no hook trading back then. The only time I hate BT is when I hook survivor A. I leave. I down and hook survivor B. Survivor A saves survivor B right in my face. I suspect BT so I go after A. Survivor A jumps in a locker. I'm sure you can guess what happens next -.-
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I don't tunnel (at least with the intent on immediately hooking people at most) and if I'm feeling a little spicy sometimes I'll just hit the unhooked person again regardless of if I have BT or not just to waste their time by having to mend/being slugged. I actually like going against BT sometimes because somebody will run right up in front of my face trying to tank a hit, not realizing that it's obvious what they're doing and all I have to do is wait 15 seconds. Then at that point they have no right to be salty because they're literally getting in my face trying to be hit.
The only complaint I ever make about BT is the fact that it's based on terror radius, and therefore can be completely ignored by certain killers if they want to facecamp, namely Wraith, Pig, and Freddy.
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How is it OP? It is a healthy fix for tunneling.
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There’s more scenarios regarding BT, like saving someone being camped while the doors are opened. I don’t see any problem in this situation even.
Sure, the guy that got unhooked and has BT will be out anyway, but u can make an exchange with the one that unhooked, and even if he was healthy, all u have to do is hit him before and after the safe, boom, u got a down and somebody else to secure a kill, it’s not that hard.
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I think it should only be allowed to be used when spending 6-8 seconds within 10m of the killer after someone has been hooked and if the killer is still within 15m of the hook. The amount of times of people using it just after i leave the hook animation is crazy, turning a defensive perk into an aggressive one.
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Being within 32 meters of the hook is not camping. BT can be used aggressively against the killer when it is, at its core design, a defensive perk. I actually don't think you understand what camping is, I suggest you watch this video to get further perspective on what camping, or tunneling means.
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I'd rather see kindred basekit honestly , if you made BT base it would be heavily abused with WGLF and be a farm fest
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i gotta say i disagree with this, let me give you an example of my own (which has happened to me as a former surv now killer main. also, this is taking point number 3 into effect, but instead of being at any time during the game instead its endgame, when BT turns from an anti facecamp perk to a 'kick in the gahoolies' perk):
your a killer, against either seal team 6 style SWF because of the matchmaking right now, or you got a bad map, or your trying to get more points on a killer to get better perks, or any combination of those 3. main thing here is that the match has been awful. no kills, 5 gens done, gates are about to open. you know that the match is gonna give no points, you manage to get someone down and hook them. if you leave the hook, they will be rescued and the match was a waste of time. you sit on the hook, at least you will get some points for entity summoned / late sacrifice, maybe if the other team sticks around some hits. someone barrels towards the hook, you hit them, they unhook in front of you. 'ok, i'll hit the one who is injured off hook, punish an unsafe hook.' nah, one has BT, you are in the cooldown animation of your hit watching them teabag in front of you and run off. welcome to 0k, no point land, home to wasted time both in match and queues.
the example was made to show how annoying of a perk this can be for a killer who hasnt had a good game. to me personally, its a 'kick them while they are down' perk. if you dont use it like that, cool this isnt a post against all people who use BT, but against those who use it to just be an [BAD WORD]. im also not asking for survivors to 'give up' and let killers have kills for free, but dont kick a killer in the nuts after having a bad game.
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the problem with this game is forcing people to run perks they don't want to run because no one would have chance to escape otherwise due to the toxicity of most killers who just want to tunnel and camp. It's quite sad.
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You left out the End Game scenario where BT gets both people out. Just saying.
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Our killers are getting stronger 💪
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If you do that, that's literally your fault. You should've hit the unhooker instead of the person who just got pulled ouff. That mindset comes from a sense of "I want this one" instead of playing smart and attacking the person who did the saving
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Sure just give killers T3 whispers basekit and it’s a deal.
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you sir are ruining his argument with a likely scenario. His unlikely scenarios better support his argument. Please stop invalidating delusional and entitled nonsense. This is the Internet.
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Borrowed Time shouldn't be able to activate if the exit gates have been opened. Due to how BT works, it allows both survivors to get out regardless because all the BT Survivor has to do is bodyblock.
While BT is supposed to be an anti-tunneling/camping perk, that isn't how it's being used currently.
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Bodyblocking with BT is offensive. BT was meant to be anti camping. After 100 hours of gameplay if you unhook intending for a BT proc you are doing so to be toxic and abusing the perk. That’s pretty obvious.
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This video explains a lot of the situations in dbd. Most arguments can be shut down if people saw the other sides perspective. When I hook someone and leave. If I don't find anyone by the time the save was made I go back to the hook because it's the only information I got at the moment. If I don't see the rescuer but I see a blood trail, guess what, I'm going after the injured person because that's the only person I see. I can't just leave them alone because that's detrimental to my objective. Vice Versa, if I'm injured and a healthy survivor is healing me. If the killer see's us both it's the best course of action to go after me. I know it, he knows it, yet the community has this idea that if your pulled off the hook the killer shouldn't hit you for 60 seconds. Hardly anyone on this game asks "In that moment wouldn't I have done the same?"
Then you get those entitled mains who say "No, I would have followed the survivors rule book for killers and never ever hurt a survivor!"
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This. Most people just can't or won't see situations from multiple angles. However, i disagree with needing to change borrowed time. Except to change it where you get the benefit from being unhooked by solo q hook farmers.
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You do realize that the survivor that got taken off can body block the survivor that unhooked them right? And that lets both survivors escape and the killer can't do anything about it especially in egc
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