Dead Hard is overpowered...

How is that a killer main post? He is kind of right with that. Hex Perks give you some value for basically doing nothing you just have it. For example you are running ruin and you get some good value off it by running it. But at the same time for the rest of the game you are playing with a empty perk slots once its gone. And there is a chance that it breaks in 10 seconds. But it can also last the entire game. It would be a great idea to do the same with exhaustion perks. That would just be the fairest option. You can use your Lithe once to get a lot of distance in a chase and make it way longer. But you can only do that once perk game and still got a lot of value of it since time is really important for the killer. By just saying things like that you are just straight up toxic and also just proofed that you are only playing one side of this game (Survivor) and have no understanding of killer.

I mean every exhaustion perk can be strong yes. But I think DH is the only one that should get changes. The others are situational and are not really second chance perks. They just make you gain more distance which can be strong. But it is a exhaustion perk you cant use it every time so it also should be that way. DH is different than the others it just gives you 3 second chances for just pressing a button.

Yes thats quite stupid that they can just DH over that. It shouldn't work and you should still get trapped.

Yes if you could use it one time it would be balanced. I mean thats still 4 second chances if all of them run it which can be strong. But its not just 12.

Yes I think HO shouldnt be an exhaustion perk. But the problem is if you have 2 survivors and the killer is infront of a locker you can just keep stunning him for the entire game and trap him. xD

Maybe like a 10 second cooldown or something and no exhaustion.

Survivors gain 3 second chances every game by using DH.

yOu CaN jUsT rEsPeCt It. No you cant. It is really situational and in most of the times survivors are just gonna DH to a pallet or a window and delay the loop even more for just pressing one single button which takes no skill.

DH also counters most killer abilitys. Gorgons jump, Huntress Hatchets, Nurse Blinks, Trappers Traps, etc...

If all 4 survivors run it they just gain 12 second chances and you have to kill them the double amount of times than you would usually have to.

eXhAuStEd On ThE gRoUnD. As soon as they fix dedicated servers it will be even stronger. You cant use that as an argument it is just arguing against you. (Many ppl still use that argument)

DH is not fine the way it is. I play this game since beginning of 2017 and play booth sides (A little more killer than survivor). I also stopped using DH myself. One reason of course that it doesn't work often. But also because its just crutch. Takes no skill and its just unfair for the killer.

That would be even worse if all 4 were use HO lmao

I play killer really often same as survivor.

And another guy that uses this as an argument: dEaD hArD dOeSnT eVeN wOrK

Dude you are literally arguing against yourself, as soon as they fix dedication with their servers DH is gonna be even stronger.

As a Killer Main I can also say that you can bait DH yes and its not hard, but thats really siutational. Most of the time they are just gonna DH to a window or pallet and you cant bait that. DH counters most killer abilitys.

List of killers that gets countered by DH:

Trapper (you can DH for his traps)

Hillbilly (when he chainsawsprints right at you than you can just DH away)

Nurse (when the survivor is not 5 meters away you cant bait it, what you can do is use your first blink to get to them, let them DH and blink again. But if the survivor is not really close to you they can just double back on your first blink since it has to be directly on them to bait their DH)

Huntress (if you throw a hatchet at a survivor he can just DH and dodge it, there is no way to bait that)

Doctor (you can DH through his shock to avoid getting stunned and still be able to throw down the pallet)

Plague (you can dodge her vomit by using DH to get behind an object)

Demogorgon (you can DH as soon as he jumps on you)

Oni (when he has his ability you can just DH as soon as he is locked in the animation of him throwing his dildo at the ground)

Deathslinger (you can DH to dodge his weapon, the killer can just keep aiming at you but not shot until you use it yes, you have to DH behind an object where he cant get you anymore)

Pyramidhead (you can DH to dodge his range attack)

DH counters exactly 50% of all killers and you cant bait it with the killer ability (excluding deathslinger)

I wouldn't have to explain all of this to you if you would've read my post :D

You are wrong with the first one, the devs once said in a QA livestream that they are gonna work on dedicated servers so survivors dont get hit from 500 miles away. It is gonna work somehow that if a killer hits a survivor but the hit delay is too long ago or something it will just not let the hit through even tho it was hitting on the killer perspective. I'm not 100% sure how it works but it was something about that, it is just that they even said it themselves that they are gonna work on fixing these dedication problems and that will also fix DH.

Other exhaustion perks are mostly giving you speed boosts to gain more distance. Sprintburst, Lithe, etc... these exhaustion perks just give you more distance and no second chances (excluding HO, it doesn't give you a sprintburst). DH instead gives you 3 second chances per game and takes no skill, you press E and you are not getting punished for doing a mistake or just not giving the killer his deserved kill. Baiting DH is most of the time not possible, especially if you don't play an M1 killer.

The place where you use Dead Hard is important. If you Dead Hard in a open space you have just played yourself, and most of the time that’s what happens because that’s when not good survivors use Dead Hard.

Not all the time the survivor is going to get to a pallet because of Dead Hard, so that isn’t a second chance for them.

Also it’s not always 3 times they get another chance because if you remember they have Dead Hard then use that info to your advantage. If they make it don’t swing, now that you have gotten rid of that persons Dead Hard just chase them normally. But if they continue looping you because they know how to loop leave him. Your wasting your time, go find someone else and apply pressure to the other 3 survivors. If you find that person again you know know that person has Dead Hard, and you can capitalize on that.

But in the end of the day Dead Hard can be effective in very certain instances, but when it works it works well.

The perks effectiveness is relied on the survivors surroundings, but if there isn’t anything then cool it’s a nice down, but if is isn’t then keep chasing a make decisions accordingly. It’s either they waste the Dead Hard or the chase keeps on going.

Most survivor perks are situational, perks like Iron Will, Dead Hard, Adrenaline, DS, Sprint Burst, Balanced Landing, Unbreakable, etc. Those perks I just listed are good perks, Why? because they excel in the things they are needed in. If a perk is good we shouldn’t just bash it to the ground, it’s just super useful in what it is supposed to do. Those perks are not useful in other areas but does really well in the important areas, that’s why it is used. For a good perk in survivor it needs to meet atleast 1 of the 4 requirements

1) Needs to help in chase

2) Needs to help for working on objectives

3) Helps you evade the killer/ being stealthy

4) Helps you stay alive

Not one survivor perk in the game meets all 4 of those requirements.

Thats why perks like Dead Hard are used because of its effectiveness in chase. It doesn’t help you be stealthy, it doesn’t help you get gens done.

Dead Hard isn’t the problem, it’s just the players play style to be in you face and trying live and outsmart you or outplay you.

Dead Hard is used by aggressive survivors that want to get chased that’s why most of them are experienced enough to know when to use Dead Hard, most of time good survivors will give you a good run with Dead hard. They are just using it to the maximum, The reward is wasting more time.

I kinda went a little off topic but you get the idea, maybe. But if you don’t then that’s awkward.

Nerfing Dead Hard isn’t necessary either. For example, if we made it a one time use the pick rate would fall ALOT because it doesn’t have a big of a impact. If a perk is a 1 time use it should be very impactful. Like Adrenaline, it really can change the tides of the game. If every exhaustion perks is just used once than they would just die out and barely be used. If you use the perk early than you just have a empty perk slot for the rest of the game.

Nerfing good perks isn’t healthy for the game. You can’t just blame the perk just because someone actually used it nicely, if it took no skill to use Dead Hard then it wouldn’t be a problem at all and this thread probably wouldn’t even exist. If it were no skill people would just be dead Harding into walls and corners and dead zones, which I do very often. 😂😭

What he said. So true.

Then DH should get a cooldown aswell and not be a exaustion perk since both DH and HO don’t give a sprint burst according to your logic.

ALL exaustion perks are second chances by the press of a button. I’m saying your logic doesn’t make any sense.

Complain all you want, it’s never gonna be changed.

How is HO a second chance perk?

How is Lithe a second chance perk? You get the sprintburst AFTER you vaulted the window, and AFTER you vaulted it the killer cant hit you anyways.

Balanced can be a second chance perks but it is just really unconsistent, on some maps the only place where you can get a balanced landing are the basement stairs.

Sprintburst is a second chance perk when you 99% it, usually if you just use it normally its also not a second chance perk. You cant stop sprinting while having it 99%, and while you got sprintburst you cant run otherwise you will just use it and get a exhaustion even tho you are just walking around to a gen.

DH is a second chance perk. There is the risk of being exhausted on the floor but that's just a issue with their servers and not a perk issue. They will fix it and than that wont happen anymore. Only way to counter DH is by respecting it which most of the time is not possible. Most of the time survivors are just gonna DH to a pallet or a window where they wouldn't make it to without DH. It counters 50% of all killer abilitys and you cant counter that (only deathslinger can). Imagine playing trapper and the survivor is just using DH to go through your trap and you just have to pick it up to go through there lol.

Yes the devs are not gonna do anything, biggest playerbase of the game are survivor mains. DH is one of the most used survivor perks and you see it literally every game, by nerfing it they would just make their playerbase angry, those players that they get the most money from. But I'm still allowed to say my opinion about it, even tho nothing is gonna change by me complaining.

You cant use it as an argument that DH doesnt work most of the time, devs said they are gonna fix the problem with their servers so survivors dont get hit from 10 miles away. That will also fix DH and it will be even stronger.

Killers can respect DH yes but most of the time thats not possible. Survivors are most of the time gonna DH to a pallet or window and you have no counter to that.

DH also counters 10 killer abilitys exactly half of all killers and the killer have no counterplay to that. How are you gonna bait DH as nurse? As huntress while throwing a hatchet. As Trapper when they DH through your trap. You just gain 3 second chances per game for no skill at all, its just pressing E. It is really strong but I mean it could have stayed. But since the ruin nerf most of the time you are not gonna win against survivors if many of them have DH and just waste so much more time every chase by just pressing E. I'm a nurse main and I don't notice that while playing because usually I win no matter how many times DH saves their lifes. But when I play other killers like a normal M1 killer like Legion, Trapper, Gorgon and so on.

Because it gives you an advantage where you wouldn’t have in normal gameplay. It’s very simple.

Of course you have every right to give your opinion, but like I said, while DH keeps not working properly, you’re only making fun of yourself.

The devs said in a QA livestream that they are gonna fix dedication with their servers, survivors wont get hit through windows anymore. They wont get hit from 10 miles away and wont be exhausted on the floor.

It is good that DH does its job yea, but the problem is not that its doing its job the problem is what its job is. I mean it really doesn't take any skill and gives you so much value from it. Sometimes it ######### up and you are exhausted on the floor yes but thats gonna be fixed soon, you cant use an bug as an argument.

For example Spirit needs a nerf and Nurse doesn't, but nurse is stronger than spirit. Thats because Nurse is the hardest killer in the entire game to play, she takes a lot of skill and practice and the only thing this killer does is rewarding skill with a really strong killer. Spirit just needs a good headset and that's it, you need MAX 5 GAMES and you can play her. It doesn't take much skill and is just really strong, TOO STRONG.

If you think about it like that with DH and SB. DH just gives you 3 second chances for the press of a button. It counters 50% of all killer abilitys with no counterplay (exeption deathslinger). The only counter against DH is respecting it which is really situational and survivors are just not getting punished for making a mistake because they can just DH and get a second chance. Takes no skill at all.

SB is a perk that just gives you distance, its not a second chance perk if you look at it like that its just a little bit of time waste or from getting away from an open area. But its not as strong as DH while used like that. You can 99% SB and I don't think the devs planed people to do that but I mean okay its a strat found by survivors. If you look at it like that yes it is a second chance perk, but first it doesn't counter 50% of all killer abilitys. You have downsides like as soon as you stop sprinting your 99% is gone. While not being in a chase you cant sprint otherwise you will just waste your SB. Yes SB is really strong but it got downsides and got more counterplay to it, and most of the time survivors are not gonna 99% it and instead use it for distance. That's why SB shouldn't get changed in my opinion, only DH.

your a clown