Change 4% to 20%

And so would saving survivors if they had a 60% chance of pulling themselves off, 4% is fine, play with a team if you want to be saved.

Pff maybe add 50% + rest of 2nd chances perk u are crazy dude go play vs rank 1 survivors if u are not spirit nurse or freddy

just try to escape, and don't kill your wrist and interface trying to struggle if you're being camped or believe you're gonna be found too quickly and tunneled out of the game. get a jump start on the next long queue. as abonus, more people might play killers the more do this, making those queues shorter eventually if that's the case. making it a potential win-win-win

Maybe try ranking up, the higher rank you are the higher chance your team mates will have an idea how to play the game.

Granted there's a lot of potatoes at red ranks, but there are less potatoes at red ranks than there are at say green ranks.

Although when I'm playing survivor and I see a survivor get downed within five seconds, I'll question how valuable they are to the team. Often I'll prioritize finishing my generator before saving them.

Having somebody 4% off hook and losing the game is annoying enough but increasing the chances so that it happens about 20% which means they unhook about 60% of the time someone uses their 3 attempts is annoying and wrong

3 tries of 4% means you have ~11,5% to get off

3 tries of 20% is roughly 49%

Do we really want survivors to unhook themself 50% of the time, people would just always try it and then suicide if they didn't get lucky

Simply a horrible idea

No? I just want my hooks to have some value, and that survivors can have a high chance of escaping my well earned hooks, especially with perks like DS on play.

If you dont want people to bring bp offerings, then we have even less reason to care about staying long. Absolutely nothing to lose. :^)

Do remember that the odds of escaping are MUCH higher than the odds of a single escape attempt succeeding.

For example, right now with 4% odds that means a given attempt of failing is 96%.

Since you need to fail to escape 3 times in a row to actually not escape, that means the odds are 0.96^3, that is 88.4736% or 0.11.5264%. So about 1 in 10ish

Now if we bump this up to 20% and repeat the proccess:

0.8^3 = 51.2% or a 48.8% odds of escaping.

But either way it really doesn't matter, because in trying to solve one problem you make an entirely different problem much worse, specifically the fact that the whole point of hooking in the first place was to force a save to create pressure and momentum. Self unhooks undermine this and destroy the Killers pressure which is a major balance issue.

With this in mind even 4% is too much, but at least here it's low enough that people won't actually be attempting a kobe very often except as a last resort and thus it's not as problematic as it mathematically should be. With 20% this is not the case.

In the case of Deliverance you still need to be getting unhooks and in the case of luck builds they have extreme opportunity costs. But basekit kobies are a bigger problem than lazy teammates.

Especially because Survivors that are suicidally unhook happy is much more common than Survivors that ignore unhooking entirely.

What i showed was the procent chance in total.

You know if you do things multiple times you have more chance of succeeding right?

I think 20 it's a bit too much but changing the odds to 5% doesn't sounds too bad, you have a 1/20 chances to escape.

Also as many suggested, a rework of the luck mechanic will be ideal.

@D_Orien You're probably not thinking about the math behind your suggestion. @Sonzaishinai and @Kumakx is correct in their estimate.

Every survivor has 3 independent tries to jump off the hook, with a 96% failure rate. This translates to 96/100 times an unhook attempt will fail, which represented as a decimal value is 0.96.

Since each attempt is independent, to find your overall chance at jumping off hook, we would multiply 0.96 * 0.96 * 0.96 = 0.88, which is an ~88% chance to fail all three attempts to escape, or you could say you have a ~12% chance to escape.

If your 20% proposal was pushed through, 0.80 * 0.80 * 0.80 = 0.512 = 51.2% chance to get off hook failure rate, with 48.8% overall chance to unhook yourself (edit is in italics/strikethrough) if all three attempts were used. With odds like this, I would just face camp everyone to second stage hook. Is that what you want killers to do?

If you really want more chances at unhooking, just run slippery meat for the 3 extra attempts to jump off hook. 0.96 * 0.96 * 0.96 * 0.96 * 0.96 * 0.96 = 0.78 = 78% total failure rate, 22% chance at unhooking (this math only works if you use ALL attempts to unhook yourself).

So yeah, just run Slippery Meat. You're welcome for this solution.

uh no, the terrible thing to do is sit when the queues were still 10 minutes staring at the screen, and then stare at the screen another few minutes when instead you could have spent the time staring at the screen killing a few minutes off of another queue. just like killers don't log on to open up an entertainment serving soup kitchen on their computer solo survivors camped or tunneled into oblivion don't as well. If you wanna do the gens, do them on your own time. My queues were faster again finally last night, and I deranked enough to stop having nothing but red rank killers, but if my experience had still been the same I would still have been playing that way otherwise I would have expected compensation for the time I'd given to only provide enjoyment for others at the expense of my own enjoyment and my own time. There is a reason why your employer pays you, because if they didn't and you didn't enjoy the work you wouldn't do it. Especially the more tedious and unstimulating it is.

I've literally fallen asleep on the hook before, with a lot of coffee in my system, from the boredom on exceptionally bad days. And then been bitched about it afterward because I was apparently unhooked and only awoke because of the end match jingle that plays shocking me awake. What do they expect me to do? Sit there and stare at the damned screen all night in matches after doing it in between them too while they get to play? If I'm unstimulated long enough in a match on a night that's been especially brutal by an unlucky day on dbd the tedium builds and I begin nodding off within an hour or so of too many boring matches in a row. It's just the way my brain is wired. So actually, you are spared potentially unhooking a guy that may have already fallen asleep in my case. You could do something more valuable like gens with that time, or something more profitable like gaining bp if you're chased, and I could keep myself occupied on youtube or shitposting somewhere while I shave some minutes off of another queue. It's a win-win.

You can have maybe 8-10%, and thats if BHVR removes the ability to try and unhook more than once. You should have only have 1 opportunity to get off the hook and it wouldn't reduce the duration by more than it does now. This would make slippery meat not totally useless. Deliverance will still work, and could potentially be buffed (less broken duration, if any) and it would basically stop people from suiciding on hooks as fast as they do.