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I'm done..
Ok so alot of you have been seeing my posts about slinger and they seem repetitive and it's a question of why do I keep making them? I'm done making them but the I got my take away.
This forum like I've said in the past is populated with a lot of people who favor killer. While I see nothing wrong with this it makes making posts that seem more in favor of survivors difficult because you have alot of people who disagree.
This is also fine but it's too many people to argue with at the same time. But I digress. My key take away is that If it's anything that is in favor of survivor expect the killers to come in and tell you how wrong you are.
If you disagree and tell me its fake both sides are on the forums link me a post where there are alot of survivor mains disagreeing with a killer and not dumb posts.
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Well, yeah, sure, these forums are somewhat killer sided but its the best we have got, reddit, steam, discord servers, they are all pretty bad.
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Can't argue with you cause it's true.
I've been seeing a lot of people killer-sided in posts trying to defend the uncounterable killers, you know which ones they are of course.
It does get tiring since it's like talking to a wall, can't even look in their general direction without getting called entitled when you're not.
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Not sure what the fuzz is about but always keep in mind your opinion on things is just as valid as anyone else's opinion.
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"I'm done because no one supports my point even tho is killer sided like most of the users here so I have to edit my posts cancelling them and then make a new one pointing it out"
Is that the context?
I gotta tell you that MAYBE just MAYBE your point was wrong and no one could see it like you?
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That's not all killers though some yes but its frustrating that's why I made my posts to see how the comments would be and I was right on my assumption.
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I actually like the forums those places are hell dont go there if you like the survivor side.
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That's true but that wasnt the point of my string of posts mostly to see hoe the forums were after being told it was 50/50 a couple months ago.
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My point on slinger wanting to be tweaked to be made fair is nothing but survivor sided in its wants. It's a killer nerd of course killer mains will come running to disagree.
But hey thanks for proving my point. Keep making it more and more valid show me why I think his forum is killer sided.
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I don't know what are you talking about, I was speaking from this discussion you made
so is the forum killer or survivor sided? you're pointing both
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I play both sides now but in total i played much more survivor.
Before i played both sides i always thought killers were op but they are not.
Hust because someones defends something on the killer side, doesnt mean they main these side. Same goes for the Survivor side.
But sorry to say it, but for me your ,,points" are stupid as hell.
You ask for counterplay, other players name you counterplay and you just trashtalk them that this ,,isnt counterplay".
Every killer have counterplay you guys just dont have enough skill to counter it.
I also dont have enough skill to counter certein things but that doesnt mean they dont have counters.
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It was obvious sarcasm if you couldn't tell that's why I said clearly because it's hard to detect in text but if you couldnt notice the comments are from killer mains or ingues si should say people who just favor killer.
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The counterplay always involves something that is up to the killer to be bad or guesses. "Get behind cover" so what I'd there is no cover or he shoots you with precise accuracy.
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Lol I want to see a survivor based forum too, like almost all of dbd media is killer sided, the most is reddit
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Maybe people disagree with your posts because your're focusing on the wrong aspect of survivor buffs. You're asking to "change the killers so they are more fair in chase" but that generally means add more annoying cooldowns / restrictions on killer powers making them boring and annoying to use. Ofc people who enjoy to use or vs these killers will hate it and disagree with you.
Posts that ask for buffing weak survivor perks or general solo survivor buffs that won't empower SWF are usually quite well accepted.
Maybe nerfing/changing killers isn't the way to go in terms of balancing DBD and strong killers (even when sometimes partially unfair) are fine and the real issue that cause frustration with survivors lies in different core problems of DBD then killlers and their powers.
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the majority of this forum is survivor sided wdym lol
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I dunno what to say.
I've had posts where killers dogpile me because I dare speak against them, and I've seen others where a killer has a genuine point where the survivors all repeat the cycle. So much "whataboutism" on these forums in general.
The main thkng that anyone on here can do is stick to your actual points and get people to try and actually debate them.
As for the whole debate for which side the forums face? Well, they don't and you have just been proven to be hypocritical with some of your points. In THIS post, you say they are killer sided a lot of the time, yet you did just edit a post to blatantly state survivor.
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If he hits you with ultra precise accurary, he kinda deserves the hit. But there is always something to do, and even if you know you will go down, you still could try to waste his time.
But also if you know you are going against the deathslinger, you just should always try to stay at high obstacles etc.
The thing is, killers have to mindgame almost every second to win. Survivors also have to mindgame but not even close as much as killer.
But if you are playing against a deathslinger or spirit, mindgaming as survivor gets EXTREMELY important. If you can mindgame them they will have a very hard time. You can try to lure them to wrong positions, bait a shot to a postion where you pretented to go and so. There are so many ways and mindgame is the strongest weapon in DbD but also the most difficult.
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That's fair I dont want killers to have dumb restrictions that limits a powers potential but when you have a game like dbd where the fun is the chase yet we make killers who make these aspects unfun.
I feel like if we made the other parts of the game like doing gens more fun then I wouldnt mind having strong chase killers. That's why with the stay game mechanic is gonna be a way to experiment with that adding another objective to keep us survivors busy.
But I do agree with what you say and thank you for actually being respectful in what you have to say.
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My edit was sarcasm if you didnt catch on
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The forum is very killer sided, that is a fact, but guess what.. if you are neutral and you play both sides more or less equally, you are one day survivor sided and one day killer sided for the commuity, and definitly always eintitled as hell :D Its totally hilarious 😂
Just ignore the obvious trolls and remember, your opinion is valid, as long as i share the same 🤗
About the posting you are referring: Even Devs (Peanuts for example) agree that those postings are justified, so i am pretty sure they are reworking (or at least try to find a contect) Deathslinger, Spirit, PH etc at some point. Be patient.
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Look I get your frustrations and as a 50/50 player I'll tell you that slinger isn't OP , it's ok that you have that opinion though because it might just be a bad match for the way you play , try running spine chill or mixing things up a bit it could help you find something that works for you and improves your play
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There's a difference between the sarcasm that I use and that. Your edit came off as "I couldn't hold my argument and got mad about it" instead of being a joke. Or at least that's how it read for me.
But then again, sarcasm is much harder to convey in the written language.
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Yes he does deserve the hut but that ultra precise accuracy and a quickshot is a cod feature with a health bar not a 2 hit system .
Killers dont have to mindgame every second to win that's an exaggeration. Killer sonny have to mindgame at long wall loops where the vision is blocked. It's the same for survivor mindgames only happen at high wall loops.
You can attempt to "mindgame" them and if it works you get a couple of extra seconds buts that's all.
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I see elements of both survivor and killer bias. The whole killer vs survivor narrative is weak and does nothing for the community and the idea that the forums favor one or the other is somehow factual is fanciful. Its opinion, not fact, don't confuse the two.
The best suggestion I've seen for slinger is to have more slowdown when you fake an aim. To prevent the aim spam tactic while closing ground for a quick scope shot. Other than that he lacks map pressure and serious nerfs would just likely make him unable to pressure survivors off far away gens.
Split up on the gens and he's largely counter-able.
Pissing and moaning about perks, tactics, mechanics etc etc is unproductive unless there is some constructive feedback to add. The argument un-counter-able and boring is not constructive as they are subjective at best.
Also sarcasm doesn't translate well in a text format because there is no intonation to denote it, if you want less aggressive exchanges then its best to try and avoid using it.
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I appreciate the response ill take that into consideration I haven't ran spine chill in a minute and I like the perk I'll try it out.
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I understand sarcasm is hard to convey in text that's why I had "clearly" I only did it because it was too many people to argue with I didn't want to try and take that on at least not with school and me being stressed out.
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Look, just cause people refuse to indulge in your weird fetish thing....
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Dude stop being salty after people tried to help you and you literally renamed a thread to "close this". That you started by calling people out. who knew that that discussion wouldn't be productive.
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Not only that, the majority of topics that are "discussed" on here (i.e shot down by killer mains immediately, disregarding everything the survivor says by bringing up something completely irrelevant to the topic of the post) follow a flow chart that doesn't get anywhere at the end of it.
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Calling my opinion a fetish isn't contributing to the conversation its an insult at best might as well call me a swear at this point.
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No I will not refrain from using sarcasm the exchanges I have in my posts are always aggressive because I think about the survivor side a lot even though killers need buffs. Im gonna ignore slinger for a moment as he isn't the topic of this post. Nobody is moaning about anything this is an open forum to discuss the devs don't even look at the forum when thinking about the games patches. My point being whether or not something is "productive" simply doesn't matter.
Sure the argument of things being boring is subjective the devs do make patches and tweaks based off of fun and word it in patch notes. However my friend where you are wrong is things that are uncounterable are fact. That is not subjective.
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you make thread upon thread upon thread saying Caleb and Rin have no counterplay, urging people to 'proof' the opposite to you when they bring up counters, all while you yourself only have threadbare excuses when you are asked to provide proof. and each time you bring up how keen you are on 1:1 chases, which is really something to avoid with those killers if one can.
yet you insist, insist and insist that it must be played like this, and that these killers are bad because you can no indulge in lengthy 1:1 chases with these two out of... what 20? 25 killers?.
That IS a fetish thing at this point.
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Ok for starters a lot of the counter play that is said is usually something about making educated guesses or general which is countered good slinger. I have no threadbare excuses I say my what I think slinger offers no reaction time, a free zoning by ads spamming, zone by existing. It makes chase repetitive and predictable.
I have said this over and over. If you acknowledge having to avoid certain killers in a chase you are saying survivors should be subject to a boring game due to design flaws. If the rest of the game was more interesting and doing gens had more incentive I wouldn't have much of a problem with it.
I insist on a 1v1 because you like many other killer mains who like this killer cant preform it themselves you can't run the killer, you can't showcase the counterplay, its all talk no game.
The real fetish is how you refer to these killers as caleb and rin. Its kinda weirding me out actually. Then again a fetish ties in to sex which is why I find it a poor choice of word to use.
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I refer to them by their names cause I'm a lazy bastard when it comes to that.
also, funny how you even try to use that as counterpoint for anything just after scott lamented about how 'wrong and cringy' that oh-so-totally is on his twitter... Interesting.
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Not hard to put a /s after something in text.
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I started off as a survivor main and probably have way more hours in survivor than killer
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So instead of listening to others opinions and having a valid discussion OP just says that if you disagree your a killer main.
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I never maid a counter point off of what Scott said on his twitter. I dont even use twitter nor do I check it. I disagree on alot of what Scott says.
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Yeah you are right but still I wanted to see how people would react.
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So me calling Trapper Evan is a fetish now? Or Bubba?
Jesus christ dude. You're really stretching for arguments arent you?
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It holds the same merit as that guy saying that me wanting to play custom so i can be shown this counter play is a fetish. My main point being I find it odd how he refers to these monsters real name. Sure its a game but it strikes me in a weird way. Why not call him out on that? Why are you only speaking of me?
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I disagree that un-counter-able is fact, perhaps not as easily directly countered by the current typical plays i.e. looping etc. It involves more guesswork but that is the play. Its unique. Interesting and dynamic killers that change up how the game plays keep it fresh. I enjoy playing it and playing against it precisely because it shakes up the typical gameplay.
Productive does matter when discussing game mechanics or changes to how things play because if it is biased or opinionated, or just people unconstructively complaining then its really not addressing the issue and just inviting tit for tat argument.
I never said stop using sarcasm but you may have fewer aggressive exchanges if you understand why it gets easily misinterpreted in text format. You can't react aggressively to someone not understanding you were being sarcastic as there is little indication of sarcasm in text, so it often just comes off as passive aggressive or just downright aggressive.
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YOur'E WrOnG EnTiTLed SuRvIvOR
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Well, then you are maybe surprised that I like to read you, even if we have often different opinions.
What your topic matters, so I think that the survivor presence is still strong in this forum. Survivor supporting postings getting most of the time more upvotes as killer supporting postings.
Also we still see many nerf threads about killers in this forum. I would say that they even dominate.
I mean just look a few days back... We had and have still threads about deathslinger, noed, moris sometimes, spirit and even 2 huntress nerf threads (or was it just 1? believe it was two).
What my personal opinion to that matter is, is that killers need to be vocal.
If we don't nobody listens to us and bhvr does then with us what the survivors want.
This is not exaggerating, even if you think so.
The Legion rework had teach me how the interaction between killers, survivors and bhvr runs and we killers need everything to do what we can, to safe the killer playerbase for a crime like the Legion rework again.
I know that parts of the survivor playerbase have enjoy this to see that rework happen, but it was for me a devastating experience. I had believe in common sense, just to see this then happen.
As long as I have a voice and as I am interested in dbd, I will try my best to prevent other killers being handled as my favorite killer.
I enjoy talking with survivors, but this event has teach me how dangerous it can be to leave the stage to them alone, because the guys in the forums have just their own interests in mind and do not care how killers feel with it imo.
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It does change up the normal gameplay I do agree to that but all that guess work you are put through it's all in a heavy disadvantage from the killer. That's what makes it so unfun. But uncounterable in a sense where you have no input that you can do where you will effect the outcome of the chase.
That's true but I still find no reason for it to matter whether its productive the devs dont look at this forum for ideas that's why they're off topic categories. I can say when it comes to a discussion of balance I do agree it's preferred to be productive.
I actually wasnt trying to be aggressive in my response I thought it was obvious because people who interact with me know that I'm a survivor main and I made a post about this a couple months ago.
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KiLlErS aRe Op StOp SpEaKiNg
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It wasn’t really people disagreeing with you
it was people pointing out the counters to deathslinger but I guess trying to help you is killer entitlement now?
If you were to change the 1v1 aspect what would you buff to the 4v1 give him 4.6 speed? You have to have something There he doesn’t have good 4v1 especially on large maps
I will say this part one more time as well his counter is walls, pallets, fences, cars, etc. Now is this fun counterplay maybe not but it is counterplay none the less
This game is not killer sides nor survivor sided neither is the forums you can’t expect killer mains to not have a debate when you make a complaint with no proof or reasoning and without a compromise to help the well known 4v1 problem he has
One last thing you pointed out Scott’s video but did you not here when he said that deathslinger has counterplay the exact same thing I told you putting stuff between you his point wasn’t that they were op killers or not able to be countered it was that they aren’t the most fun to try and counter
try going with that narrative instead of the “ I can’t beat this so it must be nerfed” narrative it’s not a good look and is why most people aren’t taking you seriously especially when things get heated so instead of deal with it you make a new post about the same thing
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the deathslinger, who i assume you refer to in this post, has a projectile with an extremely narrow cuboid like hitbox it's not huntress where she can arch it over a projectile even if can see you many hitboxes dont match the models and the chain may break anyways, also what map seriously has large zones with absolutley no prop anywhere? what map are you talking about, and why would you be there anyway?
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Autohaven had an azarovs resting place cap out at 6 pallets. It was so bad with deadzones it forces a double pallet to spawn. And on the topic of auto haven it has so many dead zone variations nowadays it's bad really bad.
Thaybsmall hitbox also allows for more precise shots through more narrow holes.
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