HELLO BHVR, dont u see how bad SURGE is?

honestly I think they need to buff surge with 2 of these or all of them

Make it apply by downing a survivor in any way

Make it not have a cooldown or have something like the longer its been since the last surge the stronger it is, example 8% on the first one but if the second one is 20 seconds later its 4%

Increase range to infinite but affects X amount of closest generators to increase reliability

If it didn't have the M1 condition I would literally use it on every killer.

A long time ago infectious freight only used to work with basic attacks and it was garbage until they got rid of the requirement. Having surge activate on any attack wouldn't be too overpowered or anything since the perk heavily requires multiple generators within 32m to be actually affected which is very few scenarios to begin with since most maps have their generators spaced out a lot and most survivors will attempt to run you away from generators too.

Just look at Furtive Chase.

4 tokens to reduce TR by 4 while in a chase, and the perk deactivates completely (and you lose all tokens) if the obsession is dead. An already weak effect coupled with having many restrictions.

The devs are scared of it breaking the stronger Killers (even though it wouldn’t). I wonder if they saw what removing the basic attack requirement from Infectious Fright did (this perk went from ok to great and even becoming meta for some Killers) and it scared them because for some reason they’re terrified of making new meta or just good Killer perks.

For now, just run it on M1 killers.

I don't mind the cooldown and range restriction to be honest, but the "Down with a basic attack" clause is too restrictive to Surge and makes it only useful on a small amount of killers instead of universal to all of them. My theory as to why they have this requirement is because it says it affects gens within 32 meters of where the survivor falls, but in reality it's actually affecting generators within 32 meters of the killer. Having the Basic attack requirement covers up this fact by putting the killer right next to the survivor every time it activates so we can't tell the difference, and I'm betting that if they removed that requirement, it would become very obvious that Surge comes from the killer, if say, a good Huntress managed to down a survivor further than 32 meters from a gen. However, Since she's the Only killer who could pull off that scenario, I don't see why it would be such a big problem?

Honestly, The basic attack requirement needs to go; It didn't work for infectious Fright, and it isn't working for Surge either. If Surge did 15-20% damage to a gen, I could totally understand the need for it, but since it only does a puny 8%, it's hardly overpowered enough to warrant a range restriction, basic attack restriction, and a cooldown.

By leaving the basic attack condition in, so far I've only been able to get any usage out of it with Shape, Ghost Face, and Plague, why? Because all 3 of them can insta-down with a basic attack ensuring that the survivor doesn't get far enough away from the gen. Other M1 killers like Wraith, Clown, Freddy, Trapper, Spirit, Nurse and Legion all have the same problem with Surge: if they strike a healthy survivor near a gen, by the time they down said survivor they will have gotten too far away from the gen for Surge to activate. With Surge also being useless to killers with damaging powers like Huntress, the chainsaw boys, and Demogorgon, there's literally no point to run it on anyone except Plague, Shape, and Ghost Face. If the basic attack requirement were removed however, at least it could be useful to the killers with damaging powers too, which doesn't solve the issue regular M1 killers have with it, but it at least increases the roster of killers who can use it effectively to more than just 3.

I like using Surge, but it could use a QOL where non basic hits also made it so it proc'd like Infectious Fright. Wouldn't mind a shave of 10 seconds of the cooldown either. 60/50/40 doesn't look as cool as 50/40/30, and coolness is the biggest deciding factor on a perks viability. 😎

they "buffed" knock out by making it only apply with basic attacks, thats all you need to know about the devs.

Considering that you'd have to be constantly kicking gens in order to be stealthed frequently, which is a huge time waste, I wouldn't worry too much about it making stealth killers pointless.

Demo and its perks need a whole rework

Not really.

Gearheads problem is the poor payoff. Just getting 2 basic attacks is easy. But then once the perk is active... nothing really happens?

Like, knowing a Survivor is on a gen obviously isn't awful, but the perks timing ranges from alright to awful.

By timing I mean how well the effect synergizes with the activation condition. So for example Tinkerer is a better perk than Dark Devotion primarily because of timing, when Survivors are just randomly doing a gen somewhere and are probably focused on completing it is great timing for undetectable, when you JUST hit a Survivor and everyone knows you are chasing them (and more importantly if you STOP chasing them), AND the closest Survivors just heard you hit someone, not nearly as great of a time to be undetectable.

So, Gearhead activates in 1 of 2 scenarios:

• You injure someone
• You down someone

If you injure a Survivor then you still want to chase them, so the information is redundant because you already know where a Survivor is.

If you down a Survivor then things are a bit better, but the time spent carrying the Survivor still eats into the perks activation time. This btw is part of why BBQ is so great, it has amazing timing compared to other tracking perks.

Meh there are definitely killer perks that need to be looked at before this.