Facecamping Bubba is Uncounterable

you actually can't even afford 20 seconds, nevermind the 70 it'd take to cleanse all 5 totems and the 10s more it'd take to find them all. Someone just trying to unhook themselves once massively ######### their team and can give you the win right there. If you think you can or should cleanse 5 totems vs a facecamping Bubba, you are either trolling or have virtually no experience in playing as or against this

I will try playing this way with Bubba and see how I do.

>you actually can't even afford 20 seconds,

Yes, you can. Especially against a camper.

>nevermind the 70 it'd take to cleanse all 5 totems and the 10s more it'd take to find them all.

You're assuming that your'e soloing totems. If only one person on the entire team is looking for totems, that's a problem with the team. Even with randoms at mid-high ranks.

>Someone just trying to unhook themselves once massively [BAD WORD] their team and can give you the win right there.

This is a brown and yellow rank problem and occassionally green.

>If you think you can or should cleanse 5 totems vs a facecamping Bubba, you are either trolling or have virtually no experience in playing as or against this

I'm a rank 5 survivor with 400 hours under my belt. Cleasning all totems is literally how you delete the 4th perk from a NOED user. Analyzing which perks your opponent is running is litearlly part of the game. If you think the survivor game play is just gen rush = win then you're the one who's not learning the game.

Also, acknowledge that not everygame is going to be a 4 escape. Likewise, killers should understnad not everygame should be 4k. If you define a "win" as not a single death DBD is not the right game for you.

It's nice how you are taking the high ground here (the very thing you called me out for in your second response, btw) and yet you were the one being extremely hostile against me in your first reaction. Yes, my initial "attack" was stupid, I said sorry for that, I even apologize for that again. But that won't matter. You clearly have shown in all the responses that you are not willing to accept anything i bring forward to apologize in this matter (I feel I could offer you my first born child and you would still not be satisfied), you did not bother to tone down your totally over-the-top first response (let alone apologize yourself or even acknowledging it) or engage in further discussion (you brought the solution up about Noed removing, not me, and i responded to that, which is totally in the scope of this topic, imo).

"Please, take what happened here into consideration and don't attack someone's character for quite literally no reason as your way of introducing yourself and your ideas."

Yes I will. But I demand the same from your side! You did also attack me (hard) without further knowlegde apart from my initial sly comment. And furthermore, at least from my perspective, you showed quite some hypocrisy in your responses. But since clearly I'm the bad guy here, my view must be void, so let's just drop the issue here. You are right in everthing, I am wrong in everything, you are the epitome of righteousness, and I'm just a stupid subhuman for not seeing that earlier (This two sentences are obviously sarcasm!)

To come back to the topic one last time:

I can see that a face camping bubba with Noed / bitter murmur is frustrating and takes relatively low effort from the killer to perform well (meaning killing many, BP and emblems will always be bad this way). But I think it's really rare to encounter this, mainly bc. it's a boring experience for all, but esp. for the killer. Yes there are some mean spirited players out there who do this constantly, but for most killer players it's just not enjoyable enough to do this 24-7. So overall it's a very rare situation which does not need some "fixing", imo. There are many other equally frustrating playstyles more common we should look at first, e.g. tunnel-moris, 5 gen slugging.

Fixing this issue by removing the problematic perk (Noed) just to break the combo might be the easiest solution, but surely not the best one. This approach would give us a template for "fixing" other problematic combos the same way, e.g. DS/UB. You can predict that players will demand a similar treatment to other combos if one combo is destroyed this way, and it would be hard to justify the removal of one perk to break a combo, but not the other.

So instead of removing the perk, change it conditions in a way that the combo gets weaker or is destroyed. I wrote about a Noed rework idea in a prior post, which would make it unusable if the killer only face camps two survivors during all hook states (which should be enough time to do all gens and leave).

Another thing to consider is perk counterparts of the other players side. In this case, many players see Noed as some form of counter to Adrenaline. So if Noed would be removed, it likely would get bad vibes from the players if Adrenaline isn't adjusted as well. Of course the devs to not need to take this approach, but I would say it is recommended to do so to "keep the spirit" with the players.

You don't need to be remotely exceptional to easily win with this strategy though, I've introduced it to tens of people and all have easily picked it up and effortlessly won games. You should try it yourself

Out of all games I have played and it must be thousands I have been facecamped twice, one Huntress and one Bubba. A few proxy camping basement Bubbas also yes and it can be hard as solo but not worth complaining about. Just play and reach red ranks and facecamping is just gone. It's only a problem for you if you stay at low ranks and play on PC probably because it seems this is a PC problem.

6 months later....

So you sacrifice 1 for 3 to escape, doesn't matter what perks bubba runs; he still has to make it to you, find you again, complete a chase and repeat that two more times. At which point 1 of the 3 remaining should have opened 1 of 2 doors.

Sounds like a favorable senerio to me but I don't mess with swf so don't really care if the killer spends the whole match on 1 person.