after all these years i still don't understand why hatch exist.

The only problem is the mmr system (when it comes back) promotes playing to your best which was why all streamers i at least saw went slug mode to get the 4k for the best mmr. The hatch punishes you for it even existing (before it wasnt a problem since this isnt supposed to be a competitive game but now their basically throwing in overwatch sr). No more free escapes on my watch.

I don’t mind the hatch, it does as mentioned above at least prevent the scenario where the last survivor is just hiding and not doing gens and the killer can’t find them. There are really only a couple of tweaks I would make though:

• Hatch should probably score less points than escaping out the doors. It’s significantly easier to escape by hatch than by a door since it opens automatically so it probably should be worth less points to escape that way. (Maybe 2500 points instead of 5000?)
• When there are two survivors left you sometimes run into the scenario where they are both hiding waiting for the other to die and the killer has trouble finding them which drags the game out. To avoid that there should be something like a five minute timer where, if no living player scores any points in that time, then the endgame collapse immediately starts. It would prevent that occasional 10-15 minute long occasional boring bit of hide and seek when this situation arises.
• Keys should only allow the key user to escape by hatch, not the whole team. All the living survivors getting the sizable escape bonus from a single key use is a bit silly. (And yes, I also think Red Moris could use a tweak but that’s a different topic.)

The only change needed to the Hatch (keys is a totally different topic and something already looked at by the Devs):

If the Killer gets a 3K and the last Survivor escapes through the Hatch, it counts as a 4K emblem and BP-wise. Easiest Fix ever, nobody will need to slug. Its not like the Killer lost because one Survivor found the Hatch (which isnt the case without my proposed change, but then it would matter even less to the Killer).

play a game as a survivor and you'll see why hatch exists. If you don't want to - imagine your 3 teammates died and there's 3 gens left. Like you said "you lose". But what do you do? Stand still and wait to die? That's boring and stupid, and if that happened often you wouldn't bother playing survivor. Hide and seek with the killer? That's boring and stupid for them, just walking over the entire map checking lockers. Solution? Hatch. It's exciting for both players. You're not punished if a survivor finds the hatch - you still won per your definition.

I should note that reducing the escapee’s bonus to say 2500 from 5000 is effectively giving the killer a 2500 point swing in the endgame score screen. So if you’re determining whether or not you won or how you did relative to the escapee by score then giving the survivor only 2500 points does increase the chances the killer will outscore them.

Also another alternative possibility independent of that is to increase the score bonus of closing the hatch from 250 points to 500 or 1000 points. That would be an extra incentive to get into the hatch race for the killer since they can score a bigger bonus if they can close it. It also gives the killer extra incentive to try and find the hatch at the end of the game as kind of a mini-game bonus.

What do you do when you're the last player and there's multiple gens to do?

Right, is that more fun than standing still or hiding?

As a survivor main I would be ok with the hatch being removed under one condition. If they implement a minimum distance between gates.

Was in a match a couple of days ago where all the gens got done and not a single survivor killed. The gates were so close together the killer just guarded them. They didn't have to do anything else. If someone tried to even pull the lever on either gate the killer was on top of them almost immediately. The killer ended up with 3 kills. Would have been 4 had the last survivor not gotten out the hatch. The gates were so close together there was zero chance of getting either of them open. A level 20 killer could have guarded these gates without any challenge. That happens way too often. The survivors did everything they were supposed to do. The reward was gates that were so close together there was zero chance of escape other than the hatch. Even then only one person is going to get that unless someone uses a key.

Don't get me wrong. Even as a survivor main I also think there should be a maximum distance between gates. I have seen plenty of times the gates are so far apart a killer can't guard them both. The distance between the gates should present a challenge for both sides and shouldn't be a guaranteed victory for either. Until they fix that I'm in favor of the hatch.

I would even be open to a system where the hatch only appears in situations where the gates are within a certain distance of each other.

But take that same concept from the Killer perspective. The survivors stomp you into the ground and get the gates open with everyone healthy, you are absolutely obliterated.

There is zero chance of victory, zero chance of even a 1k. I can't find the hatch, close it, and then it randomly gives me a pity kill. When I lose, I lose. And the survivors can stand there teabagging at the gate as long as they want until I come slap them out, and doing so can take multiple hits, and for some reason downing them right at the edge flings them to safety, so it's basically just them taunting you.

But you reverse the scenario and survivors need a hatch so they don't feel so bad about losing. Gotta have a free victory condition even if you were destroyed in the match.

Yes, you're reliant on random teammates, but the Killer is as well. SWF with comms isn't a fear that survivors have because the Killer is always solo.

It just feels off when (part of) one side gets a pity victory condition.

Hatch is part of the game's lore, the Entity feeds on hope. So of hatch exists the survivors have hope of escaping. Just like the reason to attempt escape exists.

Talking about lore seems a bit off topic but is it not implied that Vigo created the hatch not the entity?

this sounds like another I want my 4k every match thread to me.

I understand what you are saying. That's why I suggested a minimum distance between gates and do away with the hatch. I completely agree there are times survivors get the hatch that is nothing more than a no skill, no effort bail out of horrible play. That's the problem though. In the match I described the gate placement bailed a killer out that played horribly and gave him 3 kills that took basically no skill and no effort.

I've ignored hatches in favor of a gate because I would prefer not to take the easy out. However, in a situation like the match I mentioned I will take the hatch if I find it because the gate placement made it a guaranteed death to try to open one. I would prefer an endgame system that is challenging and fair for both sides, unfortunately that isn't the system BHVR has given us.

Sometimes doors are so close that survivor is fecked, sometimes they are too far...

But the idea of starting the end game collapse would just mean, that the killer sits on the hatch and go make himself a tea, while survivor can't do anything but wait to die.

Im not even trying to explain to you why its totally okay because people like u are resistant to any logic thinking.

Its fine how it is and is 100% counterable.

Also, you chose to close hatch in that clip instead of going after the survivor across the map knowing he was right by a door. You made that play. How is this post even about the hatch which the survivor didn't use to escape XD

Not at all. I usually dont care, for me, a 3K with Hatch Escape is the same as a 4K. I only slug for the 4K if I see the last Survivor while downing the 3rd Survivor or if the last Survivor was playing cocky in some way (trying to taunt me, farming his teammates, not doing anything and waiting for hatch, stuff like that).

Imagine going in this game for a pip on purpose