Undying needs to be nerfed.

they ignoring dull totems if they are lit totems survivors cleanse them because totem become easier to see and give more points so undying could hurt most hex perks then help anyways.

Yeah no that's not on the same level at all. Killers are giving up a perk slot for a perk that has almost no own effect by itself, it just makes running Hex perks less risky. But again, that comes at a cost of using up a perk slot. So you're kind of just buffing the hex perk you are using by using up two perk slots for it instead of only one.

Thats what I'm saying, my teammates pretty much never do totems, but they sure do always complain if a hex activates (NoED)

lmao no.

Interestingly I have a poll up currently asking people if they would use BBQ and Chili without the bloodpoint bonus and as of right now it’s an even split 22 would use it, 22 would not use it and a few people don’t use it currently. I don’t use it myself either because I don’t care about the bonus BP enough to use a perk slot for that.

Also seeing auras is nice but the range is only 2 meters so it only is really only triggers when someone is cleansing the totem. It’s comparable in that sense to Hangman’s Trick which shows auras within 6 meters of a hook. There are way more hooks than totems on the map and 6 meters is three times the range but even then Hangman’s Trick doesn’t show auras often enough to be all that useful. (I mean it’s not literally the worst perk in the game but it’s pretty bad.) Hex:Undying’s aura ability alone wouldn’t be worth a perk slot, especially as a hex that can be destroyed.

Obviously the strength of Hex:Undying is pairing it up with a different perk, similar to how Thrill of the Hunt is mainly useful pairing it up with another perk. Undying works great with Ruin and Haunted Ground, but not so great with Devour Hope since that one loses its token if destroyed and needs at least 3 tokens built up to be useful. Basically if you want to use a Hex that requires tokens to work, pair it with Thrill of the Hunt instead of Undying. If you use a Hex that doesn’t use tokens then Undying might be better.

This is actually a buff to the DS + Soul Guard combo also but of course they aren't going to mention that.

I feel like the aura reading part is quite unnecessary honestly. The perk is already strong enough protecting hexes, I don't think it needs anything to give the killer an even easier time to keep them up.

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No. Undying shouldn't be nerfed just because you don't want to cleanse totems. Undying is a bandaid fix to the much larger problem that is totem spawns, but I'm not going to get into that. I'll tell you the same thing I tell people who complain about NOED: Do Bones. Stop focusing on getting out as quickly as possible.

killers primary objective is killing survivors and their secondary objective is preventing gens being done. The killer gets no BP for protecting a totem, it is a not an objective for them. Killers get medals for using their power, chasing, protecting gens and killing survivors. Survivors on the other hand get both BP and medals from destroying totems, that is their secondary objective guy.

I don't know if the perk needs to be nerfed, but I find it odd how Hex: Undying is the only hex that doesn't curse the survivors.

I had pretty much stopped running Ruin on any build because of the ridiculously short amount of time it would be gone in every match (I used my phone as a stopwatch to satisfy my curiosity one day -- I lost Ruin in under a minute in a dozen games in a row before I gave up keeping track, including under 30 seconds in multiple matches).

I used Undying yesterday, and it's the first time in forever Ruin actually impacted a game (and even then, a couple of games saw both Undying and Ruin gone early, due to terrible totem spawns). The aura readings I got were only when someone was literally cleansing a totem in my face (other than a Blendette hiding next to a totem they didn't know was there, lol). I played against it as a survivor a few times (including matches where the killer ran Ruin), and while it was an inconvenience, it wasn't game-breaking at all.

It's a much needed perk that has the potential to slow the early game down. Playing with it helped but didn't make games unwinnable (gens still popped), and playing against it was manageable (gens still popped when more than one of us were one on and the killer was occupied in a chase across the map). A nerf isn't necessary -- as was stated, it's using a perk slot to keep another slot from being completely useless.

Funny part he want a killer perk to be nerf which is easy to counter but not a survivor metal perk which is DS which it really need a Nerf. Me I always do totems that simple.

Thrill Of The Hunt also has the side effect of faster hunting bloodpoint acquisition, and makes the actual cleansing a totem action take longer. Thrill also gives a (honestly should be more unique) noise notification which alerts the killer even if he's not looking at the totem. Undying requires the killer be looking in the aura's direction to see it.

I think a good combo would be Devour Hope, Haunted Grounds, Undying, and Thrill for a "Protect devour hope at all costs" build since touching a single totem alerts the killer. I still don't think it would be OP since you have no chase perks or tracking perks (besides the detection from undying and the noise notification of Thrill) meaning the entire strategy is if Devour remains up and survivors don't unhook in your face to prevent devour hope stacks.

Man, give the perk a chance. It’s not like Undying can bring itself back. Sheesh. Everyone’s calling for nerfs these days.

To go back onto topic, I don’t find Undying a big problem because I’ve memorized all the possible totem spawns for each map(including Midwich, which was painful to memorize but I got it done). Just bring maps or Detective’s Hunch(even small game). Cleanse the totems like you’re supposed to

Remember last chapter how they added a direct counter to pop and soul guard making the bt-DS combo better me neither apperently. Remember how PHs skill are quite garbaje . Let me guess you never use ds unless your truly being tunneled?

This is the most classic survivor whining-new perk come out to help bandaid the ######### spawning that is totems and as other have pointed out you have plenty of options to counter but instead yall throw a tantrum for having to not run DH BT UB DS . I see complaint about dragons kick with 120 second cooldown and it's amazing how unadaptable survivor can be. Also if you think bbq is somehow meta for anything but bp in the grind that is the blood web farm your laughable at best.

It's not as simple as all that now is it? If it would be cleansed at the start of the game with 1 or fewer tokens on it then by all rights the perk should be gone. High risk, high reward right? Now it's more like low/moderate risk to high reward. Ruin is the real problem though. If that perk lasts the whole game it is near impossible for survivors. Some of these maps hide totems really well too. Even with small game it can be difficult to track down totems.