Devs, why do you want to nerf pyramid head?

they have consistently ######### up good killers if the correct sentence right here

nurse is now boring to play, has ######### addons and nobody plays her, cooldown addition was a not necessary all they had to do was remove omega

billy is now boring to play, nobody plays him and his nerf was also unnecessary and also he never was top tier killer, he had alot of map pressure but was and still is loopable like every other killer with weak power that does not help in chases and gives total control to the survivors

spirit was never really "changed", if they will "change" her she will join the top trash killers guild with nurse, billy and now even PH after the upcoming changes

I appreciate the effort and the long post, but I was replying to that person because they implied the same thing about Legion and I was very confused.

As to your original point, I disagree. The cages have their own downsides and the survivors have to put the torment on themselves by running over the trail, its more than fair. I believe its fine for 1 killer to not be susceptible to the absolute degeneracy DS allows, which is itself, a no skill perk. If anything its a negative skill perk that rewards bad play in its current state. Especially because the cages themselves work in a way that really hurts anyone trying to tunnel compared to just hooking them. BT is also in the same boat but to a lower degree.

The survivors do have a way to take it off, save someone from the cage. Don't unhook close to the killer and they can't come right back, if they're camping do gens. PH doesn't do anything that changes that dynamic, its survivor bad habits that cause those problems.

Billy's base kit is almost identical to Billy before 4.1.0. The main differences are his add-ons, and cosmetic things like his yell and new TR / chase music. I have not once overheated the chainsaw while playing as him, and I use it heavily as BIlly players should. I think you would actually have to be trying to overheat it to manage it.

I still enjoy playing Nurse. She is still one of the top killers in the game even without add-ons. Her old add-ons combined with no need to wait before double blinking were pretty busted before.

Spirit was changed multiple times. They removed her collision while phasing, they nerfed Prayer Beads, they gave her a vault animation, etc. All of those things made her weaker, but she's still really strong.

So, what I'm trying to say is they haven't consistently ######### up anything. They've made relatively small nerfs to some of the top killers in the game, and all of them are still near the top. Are we also going to ignore the massive and transformative buffs to killers like Bubba, Freddy, and Doctor?

Yep. And I also think I read the wiki wrong the first time too, so it's actually even shorter! It's not .267s to start + .033s to propagate. Looks like there are 8 one-meter segments to the propagating attack and it's .033s per segment. So, looks like the total time for the attack to reach the way end of the range is 267ms, not 300ms.

The cages also counter Pop, MYC, BBQ, etc. They have positives and negatives for both sides. Yes, they make tunneling easy if the killer really wants to tunnel someone, but I've run into only very few PH players that do that. Even the ones that tunnel will usually just proxy camp the hook and wait to use POTD to hit the unhooked person and the rescuer right as the person gets unhooked.

You misread it again. You have the startup delay of .267 seconds, after that you spawn the first tiny part of the attack, then every .03 seconds after that the attack continues to spawn a little further until it has traveled the whole 8 meters. Maybe not 100% reactionary dodging for you, but if you know its coming (which you should unless your a potato), you can predict and react. Those two things combined with all the other flaws (again it adds up) make it fairly easy to dodge or juke, that's why you don't shoot a shot unless they're locked into an animation or you're really confident you can land the shot.The only time you might not be able to is if the killer gets you dead center and you don't have DH, everyone can DH the attack of reaction (again, except potatoes). But if the killer got you dead center you should get hit (and you're probably an easy target). From my experience, and plenty others (seeing as one of the biggest complaints is how easy to dodge it is), it is 100% able to be dodged reactively if you're not a potato, so maybe you're just a potato, which is fine, there's players of all skill levels (and judging by the reading comprehension shown, more than likely).

I didn't misread anything. The wiki is extremely ambiguous on this, and I'm making the only assumptions that make sense given the language.

It would make sense for the attack to be 8m long, for each segment to take .033s to spawn, and the entire attack duration to be exactly .267 seconds. 8*.0333333=.267. It would also make sense for the attack to take .267 to spawn and then to take .033s for the damage to propagate, because .267 + .033 = .300. Either of these could be possible without the text of the wiki being incorrect.

Please provide evidence to back up your interpretation instead of gratuitous insults.

bruh, the attack doesn't last for .3 seconds, its longer. That would be 1 instance of the .03 propagation, and 1 instance does not "simulate a propagating attack wave" or have "individual Attack Trail Elements". No, its really not that ambiguous

"The Punishment of the Damned Attack Trail will spawn with a delay of 0.267 seconds" The delay before the attack, don't know how else you can read that.

"The individual Attack Trail Elements will spawn with a time offset of 0.033 seconds between each element to simulate a propagating attack wave." The individual particles that can hit you spawn with a delay of 0.33 seconds between each particle to look and act like a wave. Again, don't know how you're getting what you're getting from that. Also 0.33*8 is .264 not .267. You're also assuming each propagation is 1 meter long.

"Punishment of the Damned applies damage during 0.6 seconds" The time frame where you can be damaged at base. So we add that to the delay, the entire attack would take 0.6 + 0.267. So at base the attack takes 0.867 seconds, not counting the cooldown at the end and the startup time before you can even use the attack or any additional range. Well beyond the reaction time you gave earlier. Almost a full second is enough time to react with the size of the attack.

Its really not that hard to understand.

Edit: .6/0.3 = 20, so each particle would be around 1/20 of 8 meters, or 0.4 meters, NOT 1 meter. Basic math if I did that right.

You also have to understand tunneling is just an evil spawned from the way the game was designed. You cannot go around playing musical hooks if you want any consistency winning your matches. Your goal as killer is to get someone out the game ASAP. I understand its not fun, and I would like the game design to change so that's not the case so you can punish tunneling without punishing the killer for doing their job. I mean you could kinda do that now if you just rework DS so its only hits the hard tunnelers. I wouldn't say it lets the killer do anything they're not supposed to do. Survivors do gens, killers get people out the game, its how it works. It doesn't reward plays you shouldn't make otherwise. My main 2 problems with DS is that it hits people who were not tunneling at all, and that it just lest survivors do as they please without a care or repercussions.

I wouldn't say "for virtually no reason" or 'because i was tormented", it might have been because you were closer to getting out then the Nancy.

I can kinda see how you got what you got, just for me it looked very straightforward, I just don't see how you got the whole attack only being .3 seconds long at all, which is what you kept pushing at. Combining that with both mine and others experience, the majority saying how easy it is to dodge the attack, and the times given, which no matter how you slice it, its more that the value you game me for reaction time as far as I can tell. So the main point of it being reactable or not is a: yes its reactable imo. Given all the evidence and personal experiences of myself and other.

As for the confrontational aspect, you kinda came off that way saying things like "that is indeed the case" so I just responded in kind. Furthermore you kept pushing that the attack was impossible to dodge and lasted .3 seconds long for the whole wave, which is just clearly not true no matter how you slice the numbers. That or I have superhuman reaction time, which is definitely not true.

Yeah but look at it this way, DS stuns him you get a little distance, he just sent you across the map for free. Unless someone runs him to you and pulls you out with him there (this happens way to much, again bad habits) or he happens across you, he really shouldn't be able to tunnel you effectively. As far as I know, his cages are actually pretty bad if you intend to tunnel, its better to just take the DS stun most of the time, you lose much more time and distance sending them across the map and letting them probably get insta saved, or at least saved very quickly. It just feels bad because you didn't get the stun and visual feed back and yadda yadda. Now if you don't care for tunneling, send them across the map (for being a dirty DS abuser) and move on.

Yeah maybe he was tunneling. Tbf were I in his position I would chase that survivor off the gen then probably go after you too, since I could cage you then immediately go after them. That's the only time you really want to use the cage, when you have something else to do right in front of you, or if you know they probably have DS up for one reason or another (like tossing themselves in front of you because they have it up, or getting saved right in front of you.).

Honestly if they changed DS to be more contained and manageable if your not tunneling, I really would not care if it worked with cages since I don't tunnel. But as it is now, I want as many hard counters to DS as we can get, and right now that's 1 killer with one mechanic, that has a cost.

As much as I appreciate the compliment when I was doing that I was throwing the game (I mean, there wasn't a game left to throw at this point, but I was throwing the game).

But if they make his POTD easier to hit nerf his zoning, and idk give him some mobility? He'll still be top-tier.

after the hotfix i actually did overheat multiple times in a single game, billys addons are also really bad

nurse is nowhere near to be fun, i have like 200 hours on the old nurse but now shes just not worth it and as i said, nobody plays her...I've had couple of games with her and always asked survivors how often do they see nurse, most replied once in 50 games and one dude said that im the first nurse he played against after 3 months

the same goes for billy, nobody wants to play him anymore which means that nerfs and addon changes affect him hard just as they do to nurse

devs managed to ruin the best and most fun killers in the game to go against

but yeah they did smth good once in a while such as doctor, freddy and bubba but that doesnt negate the nonsense they are doing all the time

There is no guarantee they are going to nerf him but i can see why people would think it when they look at nurse and billy who were nerfed when they said they'd change them.

Pyramid head is my favorite killer now as silent hill 2 is one of my favorite games of all time, I really hope they don't destroy him like they did with legion in how they are so awful to play.

IMO they should just nerf cancelling his ability, i think if they did so i wouldn´t even mind buffing him a bit.

@hillbillyclaudmain69 why isnt that fine? That's like saying survivors should be slowed or have a cooldown when doing generators.

Im not trying to be snarky, it just seems like if the killer is cancelling the power that should be it. Cancel it and go for the hit.

To bring up my example, wouldnt it be like saying if a survivor is working on a generator that they should have a delay where they have to slowly get off the gen before running?