Please for the all the high rank killers, Please nerf the Small PP Combo.

That's why people say it's not an anti-tunnel perk, but an anti-momentum perk.

Sure, you can play around it, but this kind of perk should not exist in this game. There's literally no reason to punishes a player that did well.

I don't mind if they actually add an anti-tunnel mechanics in the base game, if that system can truly differentiate the difference between "tunnelling" or "just doing well"

You did not do well, your power is just too overpowered. The chase revolves around two tactics. Brute Force and Mindgames. Small loops require brute force, bigger ones you're better off mindgaming, or else you'd lose much time. And mindgames revolve around a win/lose situation. If you fail a mindgame as killer, the survivor has the upper hand, if you succeed, the survivor is yours. Basic mindgames will confuse most average players, and your power is still there to help you.

PH eliminates all of that. There's no mindgame, you will just always hit. It's not you doing well, it's you playing an overpowered killer with no counter.

And I still rest my case that DS is an anti-tunneling perk. I try not to tunnel in my games as killer, and I only get DS's every 5th match or so..

Not sure what the screenshot is trying to show. You only played against one person with ds/unbreakable. Meanwhile you had 2 selfish carers (arguably the best killer perk in the game)

Just to humour you.

Point 1 and 3 are a few of the most complained things from the game here on the forum (when no recent problem takes topspot) and the vocal majority of neither side thinks that they are healthy and have to be reworked/removed.

Point 2 is the only incentive from the devs on Killerside to diminish tunneling and has conditions you can work around. (Yes, I know ,unhook in the killers tr which is unadvisable but then bt would counter again.)

Point 4 needs so much time against survivor that know not to feed Mikey that it is possible to have all gens done by that point. Even more so on indoor maps.

Point 5 is the only one where I can't think of something from the top of my head during lunch break except don't do bone or don't get caught but those are dumb. Due to undying totems have become more popular again. But the advice would maybe be dont do bones when no distinct hex is up since lit totems can't spawn noed?

This combo is essential when you get tired of getting tunnelled and/or slugged. Maybe I'd like to say f- you to the killer for tunnelling me off hook. Maybe I don't feel like crawling on the ground until you feel like picking me up. I'm playing a game, and these perks are only equipped to counter your toxic playstyle.

And if you hook someone, then hook someone else, then end up finding that first survivor...what, you have to wait maybe 15 seconds and then pick them up? And that's why you're crying like a baby? Maybe you should try a different game. I'd rather devs focus on actual problems like the hook bug, and invisible map barriers that keep you from moving.

Just so you know DS and unbreakable are pretty fun to use together sometimes especially with all the toxic Survivors having a blast with it and you do know that Survivors are supposed to use any perks/combos they need to survive right? And also let's not talk about your perks

This build wasn't used as much when DS got changed tbh.

What happened was killers started to slug to counter the use of DS. Survivors then started to use UB to counter that.

The issue here is the strats used by both sides not just one. You can't nerf one without doing something about the other side.

Now the devs are in a strange position atm as they don't want players to be slugged the whole match or have them taken out by camping or tunneling but they also don't want to punish those as sometimes it the best strat to use and can be needed.

So how do you fix this issue? DS I would say could do with a little change.

For one it hides the aura of survivors and screams when its active. Second once you start an action like gen or totem it removes it. Mending doesn't affect it and you must heal to full to remove its use. This gives players a choice to make so doing actions to further the game lead to you losing the perk.

Yeah but unless you go back to the hook there's no way unless it's multiple of the same character to get DS to hurt you, when I played it for that escape as the obsession challenge my timer would run out 75% of the time. Unless the killer somehow forgot he hooked you there's no real way for DS to work unless the killer does tunnel you. A lot of people say it's meta I disagree usually the people I see run DS are the ones that cause the killer to tunnel in the first place

killer tunnels, ds'd

killer slugs (due to DS) unbreakable or disconnect.

Killer tunnel (due to ub), ds'd.

This is a loop of excuses both sides use. I only run ds/ub because killers tunnel and slug. I only tunnel and slug because survivors bring ds/ub.

Slugging and tunneling are things a killer can and would do and surviving at all cost is what survivors can and would do.

There are too many counter arguments on both sides and the worst bit is both sides think their view point is just and objective!

Killers should behave like merciless monsters with little to no regards for the rules of engagement and survivors should behave like their lives depend on it and use every tool to their advantage (perks and all).

Anecdotal evidence is useless, you can't really know what the other side is doing when you can't see their screen. You can call tunneling, camping, slugging, ds, ub, swf et all as reasons you lost or are afraid of what a player may be running but those are usually excuses by venting players.

No one should have to bow to another players play style and no one should have to worry about other players "fun" unless you are paying for the other player to give you a fun gaming experience.

The undying and (insert hex perk here) combo can be countered if you cleanse undying.

But there is no getting around UB+DS. If they throw Soul Guard on there, it's a literal get out of Jail Free card with no counterplay.

I have never run into this as a Rank 1 Killer. I don't need to slug or do any of that stuff and my matches work out just fine. I'm already in the highest levels of the game with both roles and again no issues. I don't 4k every trial but this also is never my goal, outside of the challenges that require it. Just like I don't obsess with escaping while playing Survivor.

And I am sick and tired of going up against spirit and nurse, but am I complaining. AND NOW YOU HAVE UNDYING + RUIN AND THE HAUNTED GROUNDS VERSION. So shut up because now you have a small pp build stronger than ds and ub ten fold.