Survivor Meta Change When?

Imo DM is going to be added to the meta... you can do the vault build (resilience and spine chill) those 3 perks may give you the ability to save infront of the killer by the react to you... just as long as you have BT as well.

The survivor meta will changes when hell freezes over and pigs fly because BHVR are not fans of changing the META for survivors due to the review bombing and noise that tend to happen if they try. As the vast majority of DbD's playerbase, it'd be a ######### business decision to anger your main source of income.

The issue is that the most popular perks for both killers and survivors, rather than being fun and creative niche perks, instead directly address fundamental issues and strategies with the game. For example:

DS/BT: Tunneling is a supremely effective and viable strategy, eliminating survivors one by one is far more efficient than spreading damage equally throughout the duration of the trial. DS makes this approach in killing less viable.

Unbreakable/Soul Guard: Similar to tunneling, slugging is also a very effective and viable strategy. As long as a survivor is on the ground they can do little more to contribute to the efforts of their team than a survivor who is sacrificed, as such this perk is run to make an effective approach less viable.

Iron Will: There is little difference in the efficacy of an injured vs fully healthy survivor, however the greatest detriment an injured survivor presents to themselves and their team, is that their cries of pain can more readily draw the killer to themselves and their teammates. This perk allows survivors to mitigate much of the downside of being injured, and pocket healing plans (adrenaline, inner strength, etc) for later on in the match.

Ruin-undying/Pop/Corrupt: While the goal of the killer is to sacrifice all four survivors rather than to explicitly prevent the gens from progressing, it is very clear that preventing the gens from progressing is by far the best way to extend your opportunities as a killer to meet this goal. It should then be no surprise that the "meta" perks affect these items in the trial more than any other item present such as windows, pallets, exit gates, etc.

BBQ: Bloodpoint economy and uh... aura reading I guess too, but sweet BP.

The issue many people have with these types of perks, beyond being pejoratively oversimplified as "second chance perks" although I am not gonna get into that, is that by their nature they are very passive perks. However, since they are so good at countering effective strategies by the killer, or so beneficial to ones optimal goal as a killer, one cannot run them without greatly hurting ones own chances of success (Just look at how non-obsession or no slow-down games go). And that leaves little room for, perhaps more interesting and situational perks like flip-flop, and the pebble, whispers, and overcharge. So not only are the most meta perks rather stagnant, but since they are all rather passive or reactive perks, they offer little variety to the gameplay on a trial by trial basis.

Now at least I know you're trolling. Have a good one buddy

Well this DS bug should help.

As soon as The Killer slows down with slugging, hovering and tunneling or at least (especially the latter) becomes a rare occurrence. I hate running DS and UB, but ime* these are nearly mandatory perks with the way the bulk of people play this game. Playing an Obsession-free trial is a nightmare, because again ime* The Killer will insta-tunnel and hook without mercy. Also the slug rate skyrockets in these matches.

*In my experience, meaning the things I personally encounter when I play as a Survivor. Your experience may vary, I reference my own.

May I ask how BHVR are going in a direction that does not support stealth?, the newer maps and reworked maps are both great for stealth both on the killer and survivor side. If they continue like this I'd say they're going towards making stealthy play more viable.

It will never change, because we take perks to fix the game. :^)

Will tunneling ever end? -No.

Will camping ever end? -No.

Will slugging ever end? -No.

No reason to change.

Unfortunately the meta will never change unless the nerf some perks pretty hard. There are loads of really good perks you can run instead of the meta but they are only if you like the perk.

If the next mid chapter really is the mass perk rework we've been waiting for, then probably the next mid chapter/next chapter xoxo

The Meta will shift once survivors start using the best perk in the game, Deja Vu.

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i disagree that you absolutely need 2nd chance perks, i was running Kindred, Spine Chill, SB and Iron Will in red ranks and did fine. The problem is the lower ranks 7-15, killers there tend to have no self-confidence or skill and just tunnel off hook or facecamp/ proxycamp, because they know they will either way lose the match against good survivors. I was reseted to rank 9 once and solo queue was horrible, in combination with the worse teammates it was nearly unplayable

Chase and stealth perks for survivors are much more fun to me, but they're too weak if you play "competitively" (winning every game instead of just having fun). For example the ideas of Fixated or Dance with me are great, but too often those perks have stupid cooldowns or conditions. Iron Will is great but it wouldn't be meta if it has a cooldown or condition like "works only after you have been 60 seconds in the killer radius". Those conditions make these perks gimmicky, DS, Unbreakable, SG or Adrenaline are also situational but when they come into effect they are extremely powerful and sometimes game changing. If you want survivors to use other perks, make them more powerful, reduce or delete cooldowns and conditions. Iron Will is a good example, it's not game breaking but a solid perk that will have it's use nearly every game.