The flaw of the 4v1 argument.

I don't even know where to start with these suggestions... but they definitely feel a bit much at a cursory glance and not as fun to play with the killer.

PH probably the only change he needs is "Punishment of the damn has the same cooldown when removing his blade as with missing an attack." Everything else about his torment and cages isn't necessary.

Spirit - completely fine with nerfs like being able to track her better while she is phasing but I think completely removing her ability to fake a phase completely would be too far and taking away from her character unless she got reworked beyond that. What she needs nerfed is her synergy with Stridor during phase it removes predictions, mind gaming and other things completely out of the equation (This is coming as someone with over 150 games on Spirit and a good set of headphones that hear healthy survivors breathing when I run Stridor). Relying on scratch marks or blood (with the pink addon) and grass moving etc was the intent of the power - Stridor lets me zip around at 240% movement phase walk with ZERO scratch marks using Mother/Daughter ring and still feel completely confident that I will hit any survivor at any loop. Split and gen rush is the only thing they can do against a Spirit who plays like that

The Freddy thing of pulling people asleep was how old freddy worked to an extent and one of the biggest complaints people had was being forced to sleep people to down them - seems like a step backwards toward that.

Deathslinger - Agree that he doesn't need the 24m Terror radius especially without the Huntress hum since it just means M&A becomes core on him to make use of his limited range by not having a TR until it's too late. Unlimited range on his harpoon gun probably isn't necessary but something like 35~40m should suffice. The reel speed should be slightly faster the longer the shot you land but having obstacles inbetween would still break the chain so it'll be risky to long shot in many places. Giving him a no down rule in exchange for 5% movement speed sounds crummy to me and would just make him a higher risk legion which people complain is a weak killer often enough already. Instead keep the 110% but give him the ability to mark people he began a chase with for killer instinct for 60s like some sort of tracker whenever he is looking down sights. His quick scope shot should still be possible as it's a higher risk rewarding play for a reason - but like PHabove, he shouldn't be able to repeatedly cancel his scope without any downsides so just make the movement penalty presist for a minimum of a second every time he brings up his rifle.

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@azame I'll have to agree with you only to an extent that a killer should still have an advantage in a 1v1 but not be overwhelming enough that there are no options. It's one of the only rewarding interactions you get as a survivor when you completely outmaneuver and outpredict a huntress, nurse, deathslinger or other "tough in a chase" killers. Looping most M1 killers no matter how good they are gets very dry as there is a minimum amount of time I usually get from them regardless of me getting outplayed - and it isn't exactly difficult to do. Heck most average gamers seem to pick up looping fairly quickly with some practice while playing killer effectively takes far more time - the learning curve is there and it SHOULD be hard for the survivor to win a chase. Towing that line of near "impossible" with good killers on too strong of a chase killer is probably where you are coming from - which just forces split and M1 gens across the map as the only viable counter.

This is because it's a delicate balance that's hard to keep in check because such a huge variance in player skills as tons of people have less than 100 hours still. You and I are coming at this unusually as people with thousands of hours and playing against a much smaller 1% of the community with similar number of hours.

Strange way to give him a buff instead of something like making his torment trials persist longer by basekit and give him a slight movement speed buff like 2~4% to help him patrol areas he has already passed through and make survivors have to crawl to bypass torment more often. I'm open to the idea since starting in a cage right in the beginning could be interesting for the survivor team since PH doesn't see cages - it moves on it's own to avoid getting face camped before you can even play. Just seemed needlessly convoluted.

Spirit - the Stand Still mindgame is honestly not that much of a problem as these forums make it out to be. The easiest item based counter to it is a flashlight surprisingly enough (no one uses these anymore, amirite?) as just flicking it at her face reveals whether its a husk or it begins to narrow meaning she is faking. Since item counters are unpopular - Iron Will against the average Spirit will serve you fine in just leaving and double backing on your tracks if you notice she doen't move to follow you immediately. As for completely negating her ability to stand at a pallet and phase walk around it - you do realize that standing still for a "50/50" is basically the equivalent of standing on the other side of a pallet against a Huntress and wanting invulnerability because "she can throw things at me over that pallet". If the Stridor power was eliminated like making her unable to hear during her phase walk - then she could be buffed to a 115% M1 killer and her "mind game" would be completely fair because you could outplay her by being unpredictable.

Freddy is more boring to play against rather than being "strong" simply because his snares are no brainer loop stoppers. No one would complain about blood snares (Forever freddy slowdown memes aside as a boring bandaid) if Alarm clocks and waking one another up was worth the time considering how fast you go back to sleep as it is. They are easy to disarm when Freddy isn't around and a short hinder + scream seems like a weak enough effect. But now let's add that he can place snares in 0.75s while basically walking around at full speed in mid chase without any downsides and people get bored of lack of interaction. Make the blood snare act like a combination of scream, bloodhound type blood trails for awhile even while healthy + a prolonged hinder effect to make up for it becoming a full out trapper type mechanic. He can still teleport to generators. Make him have to pause and stop to place a trap like Hag or Trapper - he can keep 10 dream tokens as he is now maybe even up that to 15 and give him the option to use dream tokens for Dream Pallets as part of his basekit to give him more options throughout a match - not one or the other through janky addons.

Deathslinger - Actually completely okay with him moving at 115% movement speed with an unloaded harpoon gun in exchange for having a louder TR and no instant cancelation of Aim Down Sight over and over again (that full 1s persisting ADS movement speed before he can pull it up again). Do not under any circumstance remove his ability to quick scope and shoot on that first draw though as that is the only thing that he has over huntress and rewarding gameplay moments

Thats the problem. A killer should have his strength in a 1v1, and if the killer and survivor are both on equal terms, well, that's not really fair. I've always had an idea that multiple survivors should help in the chase. This idea wouldn't work if everybody had the same power level.

Experienced Solo players aren't stupid. They'll still use the best perks and spread out across the map to make more travelling for the killer. Swf are stronger because they have the communication and altruistic tendencies, but solo players are hard to find when introverted and still understand good team play such as taking a hit, gen tapping and leading the killer away from a gen and onto a goose chase

I think, in my opinion, most chases should end with a killer win. The chase should be how long you last, not if you last.