Freddy nerf when?

The only thing people miss about "the meme" is the ultimate chance to bully... old Freddy was awful.

If I were to nerf him I'd simply change it to where a survivor can wake up from any clock that's about it really

I mean a killer win is 2 kills. If your not getting two kills something is seriously wrong with how you play. Just take Devour Hope like I do.

DS Nerf when

No it good reason give him the ability to avoid bt and there should be one for ds too.

The devs have never said Freddy is fine. They have acknowledged that he's doing better than intended but have not made any further comments. Most likely to avoid pissing off the people that were waiting for a Freddy buff. However its been a year and he's still overperforming. It's time for Freddy to get nerfed.

Some of the changes I'd wanna see are

Removing passing sleeping, make it a purple add-on, you can only pass into the dream world if Freddy hits you, can no longer wake up via skill checks or being hooked.

Remove the oblivious effect. Not only because it counters BT with little effort, but also so someone with object doesn't get LITERAL PERMANENT WALLHACKS ON HIM. Who thought this was a good idea?

And idk that's it. His passive sleep mechanic is the dumbest thing about him. He can have a good chase power like he does but he should have to earn it by getting the first hit. Might actually give him some kind of skill barrier and skill ceiling Instead of being so insultingly easy to play as.

Also maybe give him some add-ons that are actually fun, or the option to use dream pallets without an add-on and have it be a toggleable option in his perk screen instead

The main thing I dislike about the fake is that the husk can be basically all the way out of the ground and he can still cancel the teleport. Imo the second the husk starts spawning he should have to commit. Otherwise the only thing the survivor can do is flee the gen, which basically gives him free hits when he's approaching a corner gen.

I suppose everyone who says SWF/survivors in general are OP also doesn't know how to play against SWF/survivors in general?

That doesn't sound like a problem with Freddy. It sounds like a problem with the person playing him and tunneling+camping is an issue that's plagued this game since it's release. I remember when Freddy had to put you to sleep and wait 7 secs before he could harm you. The new Freddy is a much needed upgrade. His snares help with chases. His dream pallets are a breath of fresh air from the ordinary. When I'm looping most other killers if I get to a pallet I'm thinking "I'm safe". Against a Freddy I have to actually remember which pallets I used when looping him. Last his teleport gives this M1 killer some desperately needed map pressure. I don't feel nerfing him is the solution nor do I think he is the problem. The issue is there is too much incentive for killers to tunnel someone to death. Against SWFs and coordinated real red survivors, the killer needs to do everything possible to take someone out asap. Freddy is not the cause, the problem is game balance. It's far better to treat the disease than the symptoms.

Also if you nerf Freddy that just means more people playing spirit. When 1 viable killer is nerfed to crap tier those players don't continue to play that killer. They jump to another meta killer. We've seen this happen time and again.

Okay, so I can easily wake up at any one of the numerous alarm clocks on the map. Right?

Or not... I haven't been able to wake myself up at any alarm clock other than the highlighted one (which is almost always too far away to justify going for it). The other clocks just tick, and no prompt appears. Did this change recently?

That the survivor's role. If you have a half competent team. When me and my friends gen rush rank 1s their still so helpless even when they make consistent reads and good plays. Why shouldn't killer be the power role?

I feel like the op part of Freddy is the snares. Make him lose speed when placing a snare.

I think survivors should stop expecting ez escape. A escape should not be a balancing metric.

#FreddyTheMostBalancedKiller

freddy is not unbalanced and does not need a nerf at all. He just strong on shutting down long loops with the snares and the pallets means you have to remeber where pallets are and which one you use. so in a sense freddy power is based on survivors keeping a eye on the map and using their heads to know what is the most likely places that snares can be placed and which pallets are real also it is up to the survivor if they want to stay in the dream world and deal with his traps and add ons or get out the dreamworld asap.

I would argue the reason why people hate him so much is in part they try to treat him as a normal M1 killer and believe they can loop him for several loops. Best counter to him is when he setting up snares on loop move away from it cause he cant attack when he charging the snare there a chance for you to get away. If you stay there you will get hit or downed then that is survivors fault not freddy. Also you cant get affected by the snares if you are awake so if you are awake then yes loop him normally but if you are in dreamworld DONT treat him like a M1 killer cause he will shut down any loops if he place his snare correctly.

If you try and treat him like a normal M1 killer you going to end up on the hook simple that is what he counting on, so play differently keep him guessing make it hard for him to read your movement predict his most likely snare placements and keep track on pallets if he running pallets. Hes a killer that actually forces you to play differently which is needed for this game different killers that forces you to play differently not the same old loop to pallet and loop again that is boring i want killers to be able to force you to play differently like Spirit, PH , Doctor, Nurse etc only thing freddy need is the block add on (especially the purple block) to be reworked.

Also the vast majority of his power is based around how survivors play so use it to your advantage he has counters use them will it be easy nope he a strong killer but he is not unbeatable just requires survivors to be smart and play to his weakness keeping awake and being unpredictable.

So make sure you're awake when you're unhooking and you won't be oblivious. It has counterplay, it just requires some planning.

The devs made a new Freddy just as loathed as the previous one, completely butchering the one job they had, which was the entire reason (we assume?) the change happened: make him not despised and uninteresting.

Ya really wonder how they managed to do that given their track record /s

I really wanted to see a version of Freddy where neither the killer nor the survivors could see each other if the survivors were awake. The only clues each side would have to go on would be sounds like generator repairs or the ambient sound of Freddy's claws twitching.

I also really liked the idea that a survivor could wake up just before Freddy struck a devastating blow and avoid death for the time being.

There was nothing fun about old freddy. Can't see why people think having a power that can be completely manipulated by the survivors is a good way to design killers.

I agree that Freddy was plagued with gameplay issues but his design was an excellent implementation of two tropes.

1: Mirror dimension

Whether it was walking behind a Claudette hiding behind the wrong side of a tree or phasing right through a clueless survivor trying to body block the old Freddy totally sold the idea that the dream world was a separate place from the trial And not just a grey filter with a minor debuff like it is now. This was also convincing from the survivors pov such as when a Freddy lunging at you would disappear in an instant after failing a skillcheck.

2: Demons

Typically demons are portrayed as beings that when allowed to will reek havoc on those around them. This is almost always offset by the demon having some extreme weakness that if known about makes them powerless. Sometimes the demon can't hurt you unless you make a deal with it. Other times its true name would render it powerless and in really old stories evil spirits could be stopped by something as mundane as a circle of salt.

Freddy's weakness in the movies was being ignored/not believed in. This would come up in gameplay pretty often such as when a survivor cleansed a totem in front of you or stuck to a gen while falling asleep only to get a skillcheck buying them another 7 seconds. While this was frustrating it was an accurate portrayal of the characters canon weakness being exploited.

To compensate for his massive weaknesses old Freddy has some of the strongest pro's in the game. Total invisibility at all times,massive slowdown that could be applied in a half second at a decent range, the best tracking in the game by a landslide (not counting class photo which was sleeper op).

His old gameplay mechanics were both several times more interesting than what they were replaced with and several times more accurate to what Freddy is in his movies. The gameplay concepts could've worked if any effort whatsoever had been put into him. Instead they just tossed all of it in the trash and replaced them with a red circle that you spam on the ground.

TL;DR: Dream demon >puddle man