People complain about Spirit and Deathslinger

Tunneling is a way for 115% killers. Hag is 110, she can't chase whoever she wants. She can only rely on someone step into her trap. She can't tunnel on purpose with this conditions.

She doesn't camp as the other killers. She always away from hook so you have to plan saving little earlier than always because you need time to crouch under hook.

How can Hag be boring? She gives you a fear of running and walking. Her traps jumscare you. How can you be bored by this? Unfun, maybe, but not boring.

This is just another case of survivor players refusing to learn and adapt their play-styles to become better players.

Both Spirit and Deathslinger have similar counters. They’re both 110%, if they don’t use their powers correctly/effectively then they are 110% for XX seconds.

Dropping safe pallets early in chase will 8/10 times force them to break the pallet as well windows hard counter Spirit while Deathslinger has a 50% to get a confirm hit.

(Also I can never see Hag being on the same level as Spirit and Nurse but not better than Doctor, Freddy, Pyramid Head & Blight)

I will add her to the list of Killers Survivor want to get nerfed:

Spirit Deathslinger Pyramid Head Freddy Doctor + Hag

The issue with Hag isn’t Hag it’s that no one wants to learn to play against her properly. You don’t need a flashlight and you don’t need Urban.

Players have this idea of how you have to play the game optimally, but to play optimally against Hag all of that goes out the window.

Traveling around the edges of the map will ensure you don’t run into her traps outside of her chase.

Crouching through loops if you have to pass through them when not in a chase will give you time to see if she’s trapped the loop. You can use that to start identifying her area.

If you do get caught in a trap in her area, try holding Shift W to run outside of the area before you start looping. She’s a 110 killer. If you can get her out of her area and vault to force an actual chase, she now has to take time to set a trap and you can buy the team time.

That is a lot easier said than done though. It can be very difficult to get away from Hag because you have to be running in the right direction and avoid her traps on the way, or you have to have triggered a trap on the edge of her web.

Avoid general paths outside of loops if you can identify them, once again until chase.

Accept you’ll go down eventually and hope the person who saves you knows to crouch by the hook.

Don’t go directly from point A to B. Take the scenic route.

If you’re in Lery’s, try to cut through rooms. A smart Hag will concentrate on the hallways because there are fewer and they connect everything. You’re less likely to run into a trap that way.

Pray if you get The Game. That place is a ######### nightmare against Hag.

Midwich is her best map. I personally play around the second floor, trying to force people close to it so I can hook there because it’s so hard to get a save.

My advice is to get one generator done upstairs and do the rest downstairs. There are more routes down than up so you have a better chance at saving.

There you go. Hag has counters. The majority of the player base just refuses to attempt to think creatively to deal with her.

May the lord praise your soul. Preach more about her to me please!!

I live off Hag hate!!

Hag was next on my list. Now that Billy has been hit, it's time for a new target.

I get where you're coming with the many statements you used but let's be real this is BHVR that's in control of what does and doesn't happen. I understand why many people find it frustrating to play against Spirit with green add-ons + Stridor as well have Deathslinger shoot over/between loops but statements like that don't debunk the fact that Spirit and Deathslinger have counterplay in chase. In the 1v1 they're pretty strong but the game is 1v4, like you said the best way many people play around those 2 is if the survivors do the OBJ. The game right now is in a bad state where gen speeds are to fast and in turn killers will slug, tunnel bring mori's with noed and then on it's a back and forth with which side can do the most BS.

Granted "the chase" is fun part of the game but the only ones having fun are the survivors so in turn many killer players gravitate towards the stronger killers i.e. the best, high tier and potential to win as the game isn't designed around top play. 9/10 many killers rely on the survivors to make a minimum of 2 mistakes (per chase) not to mention most of the maps have way more safe and god pallets/loops than mindgame-able pallets/loops. In today's day and age in DBD it doesn't matter on how long 1 survivor can be chased, it matters on how fast the gens will be completed.

Hag..

The main issue is people don't play rin and caleb as intended. Rin, looking at everything plainly, is meant to scout around the map and pop out the ghostworld to strike. caleb is, all thing considered, meant to 'punish' players for recklessness: too impatient unhooks after he walked away, unwillingness to take the environment into account etc.

But too many people play them the same way:

they camp (phasecampe for rin), the slug, they tunnel, because they never learned to play killers differently. You will see players like that play all their killers the same, be it huntress, doctor or myers...

If you stealth against a Hag that means you're not getting gens done and you're also not disrupting her web at all. People also frequently run M&A on her because she's tiny and has a base 24m TR, and it's not really possible to use stealth against a killer that can get so close to you before you see them.

I like playing Hag too, but she's extremely strong. If you offered me $100 if I could get a 4k in the next match I would play Hag without hesitation, and I don't even have CI unlocked for her lol. Even if they have four flashlights, good luck breaking my web without taking any free hits and while also doing gens.

I think a really sensible QoL change / slight nerf would be to remove the auomatic camera swivel when someone triggers a trap. And, on the killer side, the game should not micro freeze every time I try to teleport. Many Hags I play against are able to basically instantly teleport when a trap pops and get a near-guaranteed free hit out of it. For me, I can be running someone directly towards a trap and spamming LCTRL in anticipation and I'll still have a short delay before I'm able to teleport, meaning I will miss if I swing right away and sometimes they're able to make it to a pallet. It's very frustrating :( ...but even still she's a monster!

"She's not a killer you can just play 1 game and be a god with her instantly"? Um my first several games as spirit were 4Ks within 5 minutes of the match starting. And I don't remember a single time I've lost when I've had to play Spirit. She requires headphones, and that's kind of it. Idk why some people want to insist and shout from the heavens that spirit is this demanding killer to play when it's just not true. And there's nothing wrong with her being easy lmao, nothing in this game is particularly demanding or challenging to the average player, it was designed that way.

Doctor is fine