Rip thana and PGTW

Yep. I keep saying this but Cruel Limits could be a GLOBAL window blocker and still be a bad perk. There are several factors in this.

• A generator needs to be completed and this perk can only proc 5 times. You only have 5 chances to take advantage of this perk.
• When a generator is done usually it's no where near you. Meaning a survivor has plenty of time to move on to the next area where there is likely other windows and even pallets. Even so the duration isn't that long to begin with all things considered.
• Most maps don't have very many windows nearby. The ones that do are broken beyond belief to begin with in favor of survivors.

My honest to god opinion is this perk needs different activation conditions and it should be the exact same as Tinkerer. That way the perk has more opportunities to proc. At 70% repair on the generator or if it gets completed when a survivor lets go of a generator after this condition is met then the windows block. Thematically it would make sense and it would even be a play on the name. It would basically work like Tinkerer + Mindbreaker.

Rip lol, a little bit dramatic wouldnt you say. New Thana sounds better, need to try it first and everyone that used Pop will still use Pop.

Thanatophobia is probably going to be stronger than it ever was. Their post specifically calls out that they felt unable to buff it specifically because it also impacts healing speeds. If they had buffed it before games with Forever Freddy and the like would have just been miserable. Obviously we need to see what the percentages are, but in theory this change should be really helpful to killers. Now, either survivors waste time healing, or they suffer from more significant repair speed penalties. Typically they want survivors to waste their time healing, so it's a good thing if you can give survivors a strong incentive to heal. Killers like Legion will especially benefit from this, because the meta is usually just to power through gens against Legion, even if they're running Thantatophobia. Now survivors will either have to eat an even bigger repair speed penalty or they'll have to group up and heal, which is really risky against Legion. This'll still combo great with Sloppy as well.

PGTW was just OP and needed a bit of a nerf. I only have PGTW 2 on my Clown, and since I bought Clown late I don't have PGTW on any other killers. PGTW 2 gives 50 seconds, Clown does not have a power that helps with mobility, and that's still plenty of time to find a gen to Pop. I frequently will hook a survivor, find another survivor with BBQ, down them, and still have time to Pop their gen in 50 seconds. 60 seconds, especially on killers with high mobility who already use Pop well, is just overkill. I think 45 is going to be a good number, and will at least make killers have to think twice about whether to kick the gen and give up distance or to just chase the fleeing survivor.

I'm actually pretty interested to see the Thanata numbers. If hypothetically in exchange for losing the heal debuff it gains 5% more objective slow then that seems quite decent. All depends on the number.

Anyone else remember the last time they "buffed" Thanatophobia?

It was brought up to 24% slowdown max during one ptb which was an actually decent 9% buff.

Then they decided that would make Legion too strong (lol) and gave it a fat 1% buff when it came to live instead. I'm pretty sure this change will keep the perk a garbage tier borderline placebo but I'd love to be wrong.

PGTW won't even get a nerf from my perspective.

I rarely had problems with it being 30 seconds, though that was definitely unfavorable.

45 though, still very much a good Perk.

am i the only survivor who just dose gens instead of healing? because thanatophobia just made me not want to heal and just rush gens harder because 4% up to the max 16% slow equals 12 extra seconds on a gen which is nothing.

but now if that make it something like 6% per injured survivor up to 24% that would make gens take almost 20 seconds longer which would make me feel more pressured to heal over the current version.

the only killers i see this hurting are the one who wanted survivors to stay injured longer like oni. but i think this change will make thanatophobia a meta perk on killers who injure easily like legion and plague or oppress the survivors into not healing like nurse.

I think your putting too much faith into BVHR. it will probably be like 1% increase... I mean desperate measure is 14% extra to healing so if this perk was 14% extra to gens than it would be ok but that's wishful thinking. maybe they switch 4% that was on healing to gen so for 8% per stack but again, very wishful thinking. Killers only used it to get marginal better sloppy butcher and its questionable if it was even worth the perk slot for like Oni power.

I think the Thana changes are good if the number increased is worth losing the slightly slower heal speed. It'll push survivors to heal over gens which is generally favorable to the killer and sloppy can still be used to increase that heal time so Thana + Sloppy will still be a good combo.

Right now Thana just doesn't have good enough numbers that survivors can just power through gens ignoring Thana.

Wait until the PTB. Yet on paper PGTW barely makes much difference at all (perhaps it makes Repressed Alliance more viable, but that's it), and Thanatophobia forces survivors moreso now than ever to forget doing gens and heal themselves. It may really make things tough for Survivors.

These changes look good on paper, and may make people create new perk combinations. Plus, I am looking for the Slippery Meat Kobe Challenge!

Thanatophobia is now good on Plague, since it affects other actions more and doesn't affect healing.

You mentioned Sloppy Butcher exactly once, and you did it very off-handedly. You may as well have not mentioned it.

I mean, who runs Thana without Sloppy anyway? Not too bad and it seems to be getting a decent sized buff. PGTW though... can't say I like it.

Still, best to reserve judgment until tested.