What are other nerfs survivors need?

I play nurse, and i do agree she is fine. And i'm a very good nurse as well. Her addons need to be revisited however. But on this one i do agree with @azame. Yeah probably azame thinks nurse is fine cause really good nurses are extremely rare, but one way or another azame is right

Also, not a perk but Keys need to be reworked.

I'd strip the hatch opening component entirely and rework them to be completely focused on the mind channel ability.

Doom and Gloom bait post survivor addition, i've seen this kind of thread pre-ruin rework but this time the perk in question DS isn't even confirmed to be changed.

Forums never cease to amaze me.

Btw by passive i mean a base kit thing. Just like killers special abilities

I really just want them to rework Laurie's perks entirely. DS and OoO are obvious candidates due to how harshly a survivor team can abuse them, plus Sole Survivor is mostly junk. If they want to (carefully) make DS a basekit anti-tunneling mechanic, then sure. They could even remove the once-per-match restriction if they do it well.

I think a minor "toning down" of some of the other insanely popular "meta" perks would be okay (not to pick sides, but we have already been seeing this kind of treatment over the years with several of the killer "meta perks" like Ruin, BBQ, and soon to include Pop). Definitely nothing major though, just stuff like making Unbreakable's recovery boost deactivate after its primary effect is used in a trial (so you'd have it until you self-recovered, but recover at normal speed past that point) or reducing Adrenaline's Sprint duration to 3 seconds (instead of 5). Even then, I'd still say several other meta perks are completely fine and need little to no attention (such as Borrowed Time and most other Exhaustion perks).

Ideally with some of these perk kingpins stepped back a bit, they could see about buffing some similar perks to create a better array of options. We obviously have nothing comparable to DS right now, and Unbreakable makes all other slug-related perks look pathetic. I'd prefer them to make it be more of a choice between similar-but-different perks, such as the Bond-Empathy-Aftercare relationship or the Self Care-Inner Strength (plus Solidarity and Second Wind if they ever get buffed) relationship.

They could even consider trying to tweak some of them into a "one for all" style of functionality, where one player using the perk gives its benefits to their entire team. This already happens with Open Handed and to a lesser extent with Kindred and Aftercare, but what if perks like Buckle Up or Wake Up! did something similar?

It's important that the focus be on fun. But it would be nice if there was a better perk variety on BOTH sides than there currently is.

Basically it's an instant heal that works with every single hook and bypasses 1shot downs, and has excellent timing and can be used a LOT in every match.

Consider how many times BT triggers in a match, or alternatively how often a Killer will deliberately not hit a Survivor for fear of BT.

Sure it's not as bad as DS, but that's not saying much. The quantity of procs easily makes up for the relative power of a single DS proc. A single Survivor with the perk can get up to 6 procs afterall.

By comparison OoO's problems are non-balance, since the informational advantage is significantly counterbalanced by it's downside, making it more of a playstyle change than an advantage, an extremely unhealthy playstyle change but still. Not that it's weak, don't missunderstand, it's just that DS and BT have power to a crazy degree. There is a reason everyone runs those 2 perks and not OoO.

Wow my huge comment got deleted T.T while posting.

To "fix" Ds we couild make th obsession mechanic an actual threat or detrimental status for survivors, like how it is in Ds description, but is not in pracrical use. "Wow i have spider legs around my name now, neat"

• Being the obsession by default should negatively affect a survivor, but not by catastrophal levels. Im not talking about huge stuff like repair or movement speed penalties, but smaller stuff like harder skillchecks, nastier crows or quicker accumulation of bloodlust ( not faster bloodlust). Of course i dont really have an idea for acceptable negative effects.
• This obsession penalty should be a thing ESPECIALLY if we ever have a obligatory obsession per trial.
• Killer obsession perks shouldnt be buffing the obsession.
• Survivors shouldnt want to be the obsession unless using certain obsession perks. I dont see DS being a perk that rewards you for being the obsession, but punishes you for using it by becoming the obsession. (Obvviously DS can be used to force the obsession on yourself, but that isnt it's primary use)

We could also just nerf survivors in other things, just because we can. I generally have those ideas for some parts of the mystical killer compensation for the solo-cwf gap closing. I think survivors could be punished a bit for messing up or doing stuff in the killers face. Identity V for example lets killers deal double damage when interrupting survivor heal, repairs or vaulting. Obviously, exposing survivors when doing stuff would cause riots here in Dbd.

• When a killer hits a survivor while performing a continous action (repair, heal, etc), said survivor will now flinch in place before being able to sprint away, this technically reduces their hit sprint.
• When a survivor is hit during a vault, said survivor will briefly tumble down but get up again before being able to sprint away. This has the same effect of reducing their hit sprint as above.
• Healthy vaulting survivors can now be grabbed, but struggle free again, this also costs them some hit sprint. Or just fix grabbing in general or increase the timeframe for when survivors let go of an object.
• As we are in the wake of a graphical update, the two first points above can have some fancy new animations, and in the case of the vault, even different kinds depending on type (window/pallet) or timing of the hit ( before/after crossing the window).
• When missing a skillcheck, you can no longer cancel the flinch animation by running away.
• Exit gate switches now only progress when the lever is definitely in the lower position.
• Regression now needs to be repaired for a certain duration before it stops. That duration is depending on a charge based buffer which is determined by the duration of the regression. The buffer starts at 1 charge and grows at the same rate as the generator regresses, up to 5 charges, but not when the generator is being repaired. As regression is only stopped once the buffer is depleted, you repair at 75% speed until the buffer is gone.

While those changes barely compensate for a message system or ingame voicechat, these changes wouldnt even affect survivors not doing risky stuff at all. For weakening survivors or buffing killers in the general balance, I'd rather not include change to killer abilitties but only changes to the basic killer.

Another thing that could be seen as survivor nerf would be to closing of the killer tier gaps. In my opinion we can buff weaker killer abilities without changing the survivor-killer-balance (much) as long they dont become the new strongest killers. While there are some unreasonable possible changes, I doubt improving pig's crouching or eye level would ever make her as opressive as spirit, right?

Sounds like the survivor community is starting to understand what killer went through when the devs reworked ruin.

I think your fears are unwarranted. Even these devs know if they nerf DS people will review bomb the game. They've always leaned towards the majority of their customers. Despite the numerous killer updates over the games creation. They only introduced those to try to keep the killer population from playing something else so the survivors have a match.

I'd nerf spine chill and the sprint perks (SB, lithe, balanced landing, etc...). 3 seconds at 150% speed is WAAAAY too much for the killer to catch up. It should be like 2 seconds at best.

And of course, repairing in front of the killer with DS is bullshit.