if you want a good example of how badly SWF breaks the game. play Among us as a solo player.

The funny thing is this is totally accurate. Except most groups of friends in among us keep knowledge to themselves. Look at streamers of the two games and notice a differenrince

I disagree.

I understand what you are saying and it is a really good connection. But Among Us is a completely different genre, it's a murder mystery. DBD is a solo or team game (depending on which side you play). Technically through aura reading perks and even emotes are communication, but then again it's not as strong as call outs.

However still it's a team game for survivors, communication is the best tool for them, better than even Decisive Strike. Then again I'm just rambling, so I could be wrong.

But... That's how I play.

What, did you think I have friends?

I hate swf teams. Can't do anything as a killer. Even facecamping doesn't work.

Than they pour all kinds of insults at u for that momentary camping u did. Even though all 4 of them escaped. And u only camped cuz u got bullied for 15 min.

I was very confused at first as I forgot there even was a chat box option in Among Us. I was like, "It's a social game; how would they even play without comms?"

That's a pretty poor comparison imo. The overwhelming majority of Among Us players denounce using comms to spoil the game, and I haven't even heard of friends that play with randoms in a lobby besides maybe if they're a group of 2-3.

That said, having free Bond, Kindred, Empathy, Alert, Spine Chill, Better Together, etc. is very powerful. And that's not even counting the fact that a SWF is much more likely to do gens and get timely hook saves.

I'm not understanding a word that everyone is saying.

But expressing my humble opinion, and from experience with SWF, DBD does NOT need a voice chat included, this will only increase the level of toxicity in the game, I realized several times when I played against people who were on a call, it is more difficult, but it’s still possible, and it wouldn’t make sense for a person who is a murderer to play in a call with the survivors, that would end their strategy and everyone would have to play without saying anything, so if it’s to play with people screaming, or with people who play giving you orders as it is in FPS games, I prefer to play listening only to the game, or my friends on discord.

Haha your ######### funny, acting like among us isn't a completely different kind of game. When you play among us with just friends you also play with voice chat off between rounds unlike in KYF matches. Your really comparing apples to oranges here to excuse how bad you are at dbd, upset that the casual game let's you play with friends. K then buddy

streamers have certain standards to keep up for the public. these random lobbies i play with don't and they don't care to play fairly.

If you read that damn thing you'd know!

Sure you just aren't good enough to rank up?

Is that an Outer Wilds reference?

So what your saying is because people play with their friends and use comms it breaks the game? Just because people want to have fun with their friends I guess it breaks the game, how about instead of complaining about swf just get friends and play the game with them it’s not that hard.

Their point was clearly that the situations aren't comparable in their opinion, Mr. Are You Truly That Dense.

In Among Us, knowledge seems to be all you need to win. If it's enough to say "this guy is the killer" to your buddies to vote them off the ship, playing in a group really would seem to be an advantage. Once you get killed it's clear you weren't the impostor, so your friends would probably have no reason not to trust you. So yes, in that game, playing in a party seems pretty broken.

That is not the same as DBD, though, because in DBD knowledge is not everything. SWF is certainly an advantage, but it's not like the four SWF mates can just vote to eject the killer after they get hooked. They still need to play out the game and the killer's skill can, and often does, still win out. Skilled SWFs may as well have an extra information perk for free and can coordinate better than solos, so the ceiling is quite high in theory. In practice, people usually aren't forming hit squads. In practice, people usually are just playing with their buddies. Oftentimes they're in two-man squads instead of four. Oftentimes they make dumb, overly altruistic plays that end up hurting the team because they want to save their friends at all costs. Oftentimes the skill gap between the players in a SWF is larger than it would be for solos, which also helps the killer. If even one survivor is going to be a liability that could lose the game for the rest of them even if some of them are on comms.

I personally would like to see solo queue buffed to close the gap with SWF, but I also don't think SWF is nearly as big of a problem in practice as people make it out to be.

I'm going to make the same point I always make when people complain about SWF. If SWF is both common and OP, why were kill rates higher at red rank than at all ranks as of the last stats drop? People love to complain about those stats because they count things like hook suicides, but when we're comparing the whole player base to red ranks using the same stats, it really should be apples to apples.

There are three options, one or more of which must be true:

1) Red ranks disproportionately disconnect, sandbag their teammates, kill themselves on the hook, etc. to the point where they artificially inflate the kill rate versus all ranks.

2) Solo queue starts to be absolutely massacred at red rank, to the point where their drop in survival rate at red rank outweighs the survival benefit of SWF.

3) SWF does not substantially outperform solo queue on the aggregate. Some SWFs may outperform solo queue, but these squads are rare enough to not drop the kill rate at red rank.

I don't think 1 or 2 are likely. I think 3 is clearly the most likely answer. God squads do exist, but they are comparatively rare, and balanced out on the aggregate by overly altruistic squads with high disparity in skill.

Anecdotally, this matches my experience as well (rank 1 for killer and survivor - only relevant for matchmaking). I typically play in a SWF with two or three people. We have a comparatively wide disparity in skill, we'll make dumb plays, and we die a lot (although admittedly less so since Crossplay went live). Meanwhile, as killer, there aren't very many matches where I'm facing insanely coordinated teams that just wreck me without me really having a chance against them, even when I'm playing low-tier killers. I feel like this has been even more true since Crossplay went live as well.

Umm. It’s not the same thing because on DBD the survivor’s job isn’t to figure out who has been doing the killing. It is to repair gens or distract the killer long enough.

You have a much higher chance to cheat in Among Us because finding out who the killer is IS your objective. On DBD you already know who the killer is you can figure out what they have. Found a hex near shack? Oh well I know it spawns there too, don’t need comms.

This is probably the worst comparison I have seen.

I doubt anyone will even ready my comment or even care. But the dev team has stated multiple times in interviews that the game is literally impossible to balance between solo play vs swf. The point of no communication is to give you an immersive experience as a survivor and at its core and integral, designed, and desired experiencr that the dev team wants you to have as a solo survivor. Of course sfw ruins that, you arent SUPPOSED to communicate with each other by design. And on the flip side if they balance the game around swf(which is really bad if you design your game around HAVING to play in a team) then anyone who ques for solo play will literally just lose, no one will want to play solo, que times spiral out of control, no one plays, the game collapses.

You need to understand that things are the way that they are for a reason. If anything they should just remove swf and nerf survivors, but thats also bad for playercount.

It's really funny if that's that case, what you said is literally word for word a quote from Outer Wilds