What's your view on DS?

If your not actively tunneling and get baited into a ds, it's enraging. However those survivors that jump right on a gen/totem or jump in and out of a locker to bait you will do it after 1st hook... I eat the ds THEN I actually tunnel that survivor because they chose to waste their anti tunnel perk. It could be optimized to prevent the level of abuse it affords but when used as intended it's fine. Sometimes I'll accidentally tunnel someone due to character and clothing clones and when I get ds I realize I chased the wrong person... It's never right off hook but I still never get upset if I tunnelled inadvertently.

Kinda overrated perk imo.

That 5 second stun does nothing in most of my matches (as killer).

I just eat the DS if I tunnel someone and return to the gens after eating said stun. It will result in a quick next chase and 1 defended gen most of the time.

So just leave them? Even though I’m not actually tunneling and they’re the ones throwing themselves at me by putting themselves into what is intended to be a dangerous place? Do you realize how stupid of an IDEA that is?

I don't have much issues with the perk other than the end game DS safe escapes and sometimes the just do gens part.

In my belief what should be changed is something you see often suggested, just disable it after the 5th generator is powered. It is supposed to punish tunnel behavior, but this mainly punishes those that didn't tunnel and well now you might be their only objective. Taking a DS hit with 5 gens up is far less problematic.

If you believe that you are safe enough to do a generator, you aren't being tunneled. If you heal a stage, you can take a other hit and loop again, if you heal others, you should again be feeling safe.

That said, locker interaction even though it is annoying, is something I would keep. You are still trying to escape, hide, flee.

If DS was an anti tunneling perk

Example they shouldve made it like :

Ds activates only If the killer stays within 32 Ms to the hook when unhooking a survivor. This should apply for 5 seconds after unhooking. So after unhooking a survivor if the killer is planning to run back to the hook he would fear in tunneling because DS could activate.

This would balance the game. Killers wont be able to complain about DS anymore because it activates based on their actions.

I think DS needs a nerf. I cannot tell you how many times I will hook someone, chase someone else, down them, hook them, find what happens to be the last survivor I hooked, down them, and eat a DS. Should I get a stopwatch? No. DS should deactivate when you hook another player. I shouldn't be punished for leaving the hook, allowing the person to be saved, and just chasing quickly.

You'll commonly see players run right to key generators after being unhooked because they know they're invincible so long as their DS is up. If I come back and chase them off a gen, they just hop in the nearest locker to force me to either leave or eat the DS. Should I just let them do the gen? No. DS should deactivate when a survivor is doing an objective.

I think that DS is a necessary perk in the game, but it needs to be changed into a proper anti-tunneling perk. Every time you eat a DS that's a free health state for a survivor, that's pressure on TWO survivors you're giving up (the one who was going to be hooked and the one who was going to have to unhook them), and that's probably at least another 20-30 seconds to catch and re-down the person who DS'd you. Worst case, you might have to just give up the chase entirely. That's the effect for ONE DS. When a whole squad runs it it's even more powerful, because there will be at least someone with it active for most of the match that can push risky objectives, take hits they have no business taking, aggro the killer and hop into a locker, etc... Having an effect that strong makes a lot of sense for deterring tunneling, but making that effect so easy to trigger against a killer that's not tunneling is honestly pretty busted.

Quote: "DS should deactivate when you hook another player."

So you're saying DS should be useless?

Huntress, Bubba, Billy, Myers, Ghostface, Pyramid Head, Plague with blood vomit, killers with maxed out STBFL (looking at you Demogorgon) etc.

All of them can effectively down/slug the unhooker quickly/instantly, tunnel you off the hook and deactivate your DS by hooking the slugged unhooker before you.

Shouldn't DS help against a killer that camps and tunnels you off the hook (which in this case would deactivate DS by hooking the unhooker before you)?

Anyways I think current DS is fine. I have never lost a match solely because of the current version of DS.

I never run it, it feels cheap.

Idk if anybody else has said anything already or not, but last I checked the dev's specifically said DS is NOT an anti-tunnel perk. That is just what the community came up with.

I think DS needs to exist to counter tunneling, but it should deactivate if you do a gen or a totem. If you're doing either of those things, you're either safe, or you feel like the gen or totem is worth more than your life. IMO, the most abusive way of using DS is to use it as a shield to do objectives, which I don't see as being the purpose.

I don't think it should deactivate when people heal themselves or someone else. There are cases where your entire team can be in a dire situation, and trying to slam a heal out, in whatever order, doesn't mean the danger has passed or you aren't about to get downed again.

I don't think it should deactivate when people unhook, because of the dire situation thing again. I get the argument that, if someone else is hooked, you aren't being tunneled, but I think that, if there's an intention to protect someone for a certain window of time so they can heal/recover, they might need to fetch their teammate to have a reasonable chance of doing that.

I also -- reluctantly -- don't think it should deactivate when people go in lockers, because there are legitimate cases where someone could be trying to hide, or where they could be using Inner Strength to heal themselves.

It is way too powerful at the moment.

Pretty sure Survivors were running those perks well before Blight.

Outsmart my opponent abusing an overpowered mechanic? Ok then, please give me a good explanation as to how I can do that.

No, leaving the Survivor or taking the stun are not (and never should be) valid reasons. I am not tunneling and should not be hit with the stun. The Survivor is making a bad play and should never be rewarded, especially in the way they are today. I know this might sound painful, but you don’t have to use DS every game. You won’t die from not seeing the stun.

I've been around since it was released in it's original form.

Game changed greatly since then.

Ability to stop the pressure of the killer, especially with other perks that can be used with it gives killer no options.

All that matters only against survivors that are good at the game. You don't need to care about perks if survivors take 5 minutes to finish single gen or all group up a lot.