Discordance change defeats the purpose of a PTB

Because discordance is "map wise" and empathy is mapwise. Thats what he is getting at. Chill.

Yeah, I find that guy funny who slugs 4 people at 5 Gens and complains about minor things like that :^)

"So hypothetically speaking, since you made the comment, “Also, a Standard Killer without increased mobility would not go to a Gen which is more than 96 meters away anyway.” In a situation with 3 gens left, which happens quite often, 2 gens in close proximity and 1 97 meters away, there’s no reason I should “go to” the gen, right?"

If you let this happen, you already messed up.

I am not saying that Discordance was too strong or anything. There are better Tracking Perks anyway. But you all act like this Perk got destroyed, lol.

So, you agree that the impact is very little, but still make a big drama because of that?

I mean, they went for the same value on all Tiers when it comes to information (the good value aka 8 seconds, which is something many people asked for), and there needed to be some difference, and they went for Range.

Someone wrote in another Thread (because, you know, it is important that every issue, as minor as it is, gets at least 12 threads /s) that they should have gone for 64/96/128 meters, and I agree.

But 96 meters is more than enough for almost all Maps and for those where it would not be enough, you would need to be on the complete opposite site.

Adding range to it is unnecessary. Making the indicator cut off at 8 seconds instead of 6 (which you got with T1 Discordance) also sucks, because it means you spend more time going to a gen that may have nobody on it. If the 6 seconds was kept, that's two seconds you would gain where you know to disengage and look for a new target. Furthermore, the original Disco did a check every 6 seconds. That means if you got to the gen, chances were pretty high that it is somewhere inside of those 6 seconds and the Survivors haven't gotten very far. NOW, the Generators will be indicated longer regardless, so it's not like you really are getting that much of a notification as to who is actually on the gen. It is almost universally a nerf. The only way I can say it's NOT a nerf is if you had Disco 3, in which case this is just Disco 2 with a range stipulation and no other benefit.

Also, I know that some people didn't like the spamming audio notifications, but they were there to let you know to look. If you are chasing someone and you hear one of those, you might ignore it. Multiple times causes you to notice. I wouldn't be surprised if people ran Discordance now and basically forgot they were running it.

what they change on Discordance? does it still make noise or gens turn yellow?

No the PTB is not a strict test server. They have made changes without the PTB being used or part of the loop. WHY? because they saw a problem and they fixed it. they do not have to give you crap, the PTB is a BONUS for you but most that go to the ptb would not even give their feedback about it or any problems and just come her and complain just like you. I said "the PTB is to check for the big issues" a single perk with a small range change is not something that is a big issue. to me, it is not even a worry, I don't use it all the time so why worry? you're freaking out over a small change as if your first born was sacrificed to the entity. I even showed you how trivial it is that people will come in here and complain about a change even when it's on the PTB. I mean whine really, The door change went to the ptb and people decided that it was a problem on the ptb and whined about it. you are GIVEN the chance to help them trouble shoot it, but not GUARANTEED that chance. You are the one with the attitude that you have to see everything before it's posted... many games even make changes without a PTB at all, and I'm talking about multiplayer games too. WHY? because the devs are the ones in control and they decide what gets posted and what doesn't. If you had come here and on the feedback channel said " hey bhvr, did you know there was a change to discordance? was this intended or an accident?" that'd gone over much better but here it came across "WOE IS ME!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING! THEY CHANGED THE PERK I USE AND I HAVE BEEN WRONGED!" this is why I responded as I did.

The value of the PTB has fallen to become nothing more than marketing. They say, "Look! New graphics and balance!" or "Look! New killer!" and then are able to do it again once the patch goes live.

The last time the PTB actually had any apparent impact on game decisions was with the PTB involving Self-Care and Prove Thyself, which was loooong ago.

the fact you're whining that you don't get some information in a PTB that you are lucky to have. the PTB in terms of DBD is to spot BIG GLARING issues. a small range change (which btw is a single value in the database) and I doubt that changing the number to one that is close to the range of the majority of maps is not going to be an issue. how ever, if you change the maps that they want people to get in there to try and spot locations that will cause issues. it's to see how the new perks work with older perks, how the new killer powers interact with the old perks. for the PTB to be meaningful at all it needs to be active for 3-4 weeks and have a player base that will go there for that time period and instead BHVR runs it for 3 days to 1 week, and does not compensate people in ANYWAY to play on it so not many do. did you even know that the PTB has no matchmaking what so ever? there isn't even the original rank plus or minus 6. no mmr, nothing... why? they don't have enough there. so they don't have it. Now to ask you this: does CoD mobile have a test server? nope they took that away in season 11. why? who knows... the devs decided it wasn't to be. you do not own stock in bhvr, you do not gain any true say so in any case by buying the game. You CAN bring up issues, but when the OP says oh noe!!!! I can't take it when one perk wasn't used in testing. I bet you anything there were other non tested things done..

I know for a fact several things were not tested in the blight PTB time, as well as during PH's PTB and midchapter patch PTB.... you and other people here do not determine what is put on the PTB and it's not wrong for them to make changes without the PTB. be glad you get a ptb, Heck I remember when they put up the PTB to test something, people found an error in the game they removed the PTB and when they put the PTB back up things that were being tested that had nothing to do with the error was NOT in the PTB again. guess what. get over the importance you put yourself in. they have ignored people telling them that there are bugs on the PTB with content and pushed it live and never fixed it, why? they wanted it that way specifically.

No, you’re not. As mentioned before, map sizes were equalized to 128m.

Like it or not, the fact is that Discordance got nerfed. The aura ALWAYS showed at ANY aura before the nerf (as long as the survivors are still at a gen), and they nerfed the range so that it isn’t map-wide. As well as that, level 1/2 are absolutely abysmal (32/64? Really?), and the counter of Empathy isn’t meant to be based off of power. Surveillance is likely to be definitively better than Discordance until the ranges are improved.

If gens weren’t spread out across the map, survivors would never win the game. There are tons of spots in the game where more than one gen is in a corner/opposite end of the map (I’ve never played a game on Coldwin Farm that doesn’t have two gens in opposite corners of the map, Clown’s map almost always has a corner gen, Lery’s has gens on opposite sides of the map, Hawkins is literally just corner simulator with one or two exceptions, etc).

96 meter radius, pi2^2, 28952.91 m^2 literally big enough to cover any map in the game and then some as long as you aren't standing in a corner, 98% of the time it will work as old discordance has, but in that 2% when you stand in a corner it and doesn't work its just on you at that point

To be fair, Killers have been needing a bone for a long ass time.

96 meter radius on discordance means that at the very least you will cover around 9/16ths of the map if you are standing in a corner doing nothing, but as you won't be doing that the likelihood of it not being able to proc goes down significantly and as long as you are 32 meters away from a wall it is map wide, but as no map is longer than 128m on any side and as they are usually smaller, it usually ends up being map wide closer to 98 or 99% of the time

OK, firstly I didn't complain that discordance was nerfed, I said it was fine. You're claiming that we are whining cause "wE wANT gAME oUr WwaaYY" when all we said was it wasn't cool that they changed something big without saying it. You say "you think you're entitled to know every change coming up before it is done then you are WRONG." And yeah we aren't entitled to be informed of EVERYTHING but this is a big change. You claim it isn't but if it small change it would be like "we've reverse the number of seconds for discordance tiers" but instead they went "ok the perk now works within these certain conditions". A small change is adding Blood Points to For the People or making Mindbreaker last some seconds longer and they included those in the PTB. I don't believe players are entitled to know everything, but this PTB was all about testing perk changes even ones that actually were minor so why not Discordance if you're going to basically change the conditions of it. What about a massive map how is the perk affect now?

It might seem insignificant but every change in this game snowballs into a massive one because of how many variables are in the game. You consistently try to play this high road card of how we're acting like spoiled brats for bringing up things we have issues with in a game we pay for despite saying "I am not saying you can't complain or bring up something and ask hey was this intended? it might not have been. but stop complaining that something wasn't in the PTB thus it shouldn't have gone to the LIVE client." I don't know what that even means? I didn't say because something wasn't in a PTB that it shouldn't go live I just said it's dumb they didn't say anything about it. I don't think people would've complained if during the Dev Stream they brought up "oh we're actually changing Discordance too" bam no one would be upset about it. No offense but you're acting really condescending here.

1) Ok, not a big change? What qualifies as a big change? You said it was "just a small range change" when it's not just that, they changed how the perk works. Originally it gives a notification every 8/10/12 seconds when two people start working on it to it stays lit for as long as two people work on it then fades after 8 seconds when they leave. A small change would be adding a range requirement then changing those original numbers but this changes how the perk works. Is it a huge nerf? No but it is a noticeable change not just a tweak. And again if small perk changes were added to a PTB for other perks.

2) You mean when they actually change it? Isn't that the equivalent of saying "you're going to have beans for lunch" as you serve beans for lunch? Saying a perk change when you change a perk isn't stating it beforehand. So... what we're supposed to be grateful that a company stated "oh this was intentional" when that should be part of their job? I don't understand why this argument with you is even a thing when you said already that it's bad to change things without letting us know which is exactly what this is. Oh but they said they changed it when they already changed it so I guess that's cool then even though it doesn't allow for actual feedback.

3) Um yeah? I mean I'm complaining that they didn't give the community a chance to look at it? Why is this a wrong thing? Why shouldn't a company behind a video game tell the people who are playing it what they are going to change about it? If you're going to include a PTB then why not actually take advantage of it. You're right maybe a PTB isn't owed to us but if they're going to do it then why not take advantage of it? A PTB is a test server, yes it is not the only test server but how about if you are going to release a PTB anyways why would you not just wait till you at least have all the features you want to include within it to see how the community reacts? Is there a downside to that? I agree with you in that the devs do not need to do everything the community requests, that would be dumb, but at the same time the community has a right to give feedback, call out issues and bugs, and YES complain the devs have the right to either take it into consideration OR ignore it.

I'm sorry if I put words in your mouth even though I'm literally copying and pasting your words from your previous posts. Maybe I didn't include the full context and maybe I'm misunderstanding you so if so I'm sorry. I've tried to read your posts here to understand your argument and maybe I've failed. And thanks for insulting my reading comprehension it really adds to your argument when you just call the other person a moron. Especially when your retort is basically saying "actually that thing you said, it's not true, end of argument".