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Allow Killers To Opt-Out Of Survive With Friends
I have never had a good match as Killer with a SWF group:
They pick trolling perks and try to 'attack' the killer and Verbally harass me after the match for not letting them bully me.
They see I have an Obsession perk and I'm not Meyers (so the chance of it being Dying Light are low as heck) so the Obsession disconnects to rob me of my Obsession perks.
They just out right act like completely knob-ends after a match and trash talk like their e-sport fratboys.
In short:
I have never, NEVER had a SWF match that was not utter garbage to play as a Killer. This game is not balanced for friends and discord communication and gives the Survivors MORE of an edge than they were ever meant to have.
Allow us to opt the hell out of playing with pre-made groups with discord communication and perk setups meant to work as a party.
This game was always meant to be 4 strangers forced to work together and BE QUIET because the killer would hear them speak.
SWF mode was a huge mistake and if you won't remove it, Devs, allow us to pick if we use it. I bet all the Survivors claiming 'It's not THAT bad!' would be surprised at how few Killers queue up for SWF mode if they had a choice.
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They'll never give Killers that choice because no Killer would choose to play it unless they gave great benefits, like 3X BP or something like that. Than these SWF groups will stop playing DBD.
That being said though, SWF as a whole isn't that bad, you can still get a 4K quite easily. It just sucks because a good majority of the SWF groups are just the trolls you mentioned who only want to ruin your fun.
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@TatsuiChiyo said:
They'll never give Killers that choice because no Killer would choose to play it unless they gave great benefits, like 3X BP or something like that. Than these SWF groups will stop playing DBD.That being said though, SWF as a whole isn't that bad, you can still get a 4K quite easily. It just sucks because a good majority of the SWF groups are just the trolls you mentioned who only want to ruin your fun.
If they won't add the opt-out because no one would play SWF, then maybe they should admit SWF was a garbage idea that should have never been put in in the first place.
And then the little trolls would leave and the game would be better off for it. But then the devs would not get quite as much money.
So their money > our enjoyment.
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@TatsuiChiyo said:
They'll never give Killers that choice because no Killer would choose to play it unless they gave great benefits, like 3X BP or something like that. Than these SWF groups will stop playing DBD.That being said though, SWF as a whole isn't that bad, you can still get a 4K quite easily. It just sucks because a good majority of the SWF groups are just the trolls you mentioned who only want to ruin your fun.
Seems like you never played against a competent SWF
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@Eguzky said:
@TatsuiChiyo said:
They'll never give Killers that choice because no Killer would choose to play it unless they gave great benefits, like 3X BP or something like that. Than these SWF groups will stop playing DBD.That being said though, SWF as a whole isn't that bad, you can still get a 4K quite easily. It just sucks because a good majority of the SWF groups are just the trolls you mentioned who only want to ruin your fun.
If they won't add the opt-out because no one would play SWF, then maybe they should admit SWF was a garbage idea that should have never been put in in the first place.
And then the little trolls would leave and the game would be better off for it. But then the devs would not get quite as much money.
So their money > our enjoyment.
Of course, devs will milk 80% of the community as long as the other 20% is still there to host the games. That wont change until killers stop hosting games for survivors because then the devs need to take action (look at that one killer strike )
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I posted an idea yesterday.
SWF players will always share the killers location on voice when found.
Make it so anyone in SWF groups has aura revealed map wide as long as the killer can see one of their group.
Or just make bot killers for SWF groups to play against.
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Just make 2 queues:
-Casual: SWF is allowed, no ranks are gained, but every solo player gets a bloodpoints bonus (yes, including solo survivor and ofc killer)
-Ranked: no SWF allowed, ranks are gained as usual, normal bloodpoints1 -
@Wolf74 said:
Just make 2 queues:
-Casual: SWF is allowed, no ranks are gained, but every solo player gets a bloodpoints bonus (yes, including solo survivor and ofc killer)
-Ranked: no SWF allowed, ranks are gained as usual, normal bloodpointsThe problem with that is the moment you make a 'Ranked' mode, everyone tryhards.
Fun becomes secondary to 'Get the highest rank possible' and if you're the one Survivor not running every 'meta' perk (even if you don't HAVE them), your teammates will act like utterly toxic a-holes in the pre- and post game chat.The Devs need to stop putzing around with cosmetics and fix the REAL problems with the game:
Disconnecting to cheat the killer out of Obsession perks
Infinite loops
Infinite Pallet loopingAnd ironing out every abuseable perk..But the fact that more than half the Survivor perks are utter OP garbage, abuseable loops exist, & Survive With Friends is a thing really speaks volumes:
The Devs absolutely DO NOT CARE if Killers are unhappy. They want the LARGER half of the playerbase (Survivors) to be content & buying cosmetics.
They prove this by fixing cosmetics (which make them money) over game balance (which does not).I used to love this game when it came out, and it's fine with friends ONLY at the moment, because we don't abuse absolutely garbage mechanics.
Now? I can't wait for someone to come along, do it better, and TANK this game.
Maybe then, the Devs will sit up and start doing actual balancing.
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Add it for survivors, too.
No telling how hard the filter will hit the solo survivor.0 -
@Rebel_Raven said:
Add it for survivors, too.
No telling how hard the filter will hit the solo survivor.Agreed. I hate being the lone wolf next to a SWF group. They rarely ever save you from even your first hooking, even if the Killer has walked to the other side of the map
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What if with SWF groups they have less perks depending on the number of survivors in that group? For instance, a party of two, each are allowed only 3 perks; a part of three is only allowed 2 perks each; a party of four is only allowed 1 perk each. Meanwhile, randoms get to use all 4 perks.
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To say SWF was a garbage idea is false look at where the game is now... its because of SWF... this game wouldnt have made it this far dont kid yourself if you think otherwise.. the devs weren't even thinking that the game was going to last long let alone very as popular as it is now.. if they hadn't thrown in SWF when they did it would have been a dead game.. does suck to go against ofcourse but it's the moneymaker and as soon as they add KWF itll be even more popularEguzky said:@TatsuiChiyo said:
They'll never give Killers that choice because no Killer would choose to play it unless they gave great benefits, like 3X BP or something like that. Than these SWF groups will stop playing DBD.That being said though, SWF as a whole isn't that bad, you can still get a 4K quite easily. It just sucks because a good majority of the SWF groups are just the trolls you mentioned who only want to ruin your fun.
If they won't add the opt-out because no one would play SWF, then maybe they should admit SWF was a garbage idea that should have never been put in in the first place.
And then the little trolls would leave and the game would be better off for it. But then the devs would not get quite as much money.
So their money > our enjoyment.
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@Bravo0413 said:
Eguzky said:@TatsuiChiyo said:
They'll never give Killers that choice because no Killer would choose to play it unless they gave great benefits, like 3X BP or something like that. Than these SWF groups will stop playing DBD.
That being said though, SWF as a whole isn't that bad, you can still get a 4K quite easily. It just sucks because a good majority of the SWF groups are just the trolls you mentioned who only want to ruin your fun.
If they won't add the opt-out because no one would play SWF, then maybe they should admit SWF was a garbage idea that should have never been put in in the first place.
And then the little trolls would leave and the game would be better off for it. But then the devs would not get quite as much money.
So their money > our enjoyment.
To say SWF was a garbage idea is false look at where the game is now... its because of SWF... this game wouldnt have made it this far dont kid yourself if you think otherwise.. the devs weren't even thinking that the game was going to last long let alone very as popular as it is now.. if they hadn't thrown in SWF when they did it would have been a dead game.. does suck to go against ofcourse but it's the moneymaker and as soon as they add KWF itll be even more popular
No, SWF is a garbage idea. This game was never balanced for the Survivors having voice comms.
Adding voice comms on top of every good perk Survivors have, plus needing to hit a survivor 3 times (minimum) to hook them (Making it a 12 on 1 when you think about it)PLUS the fact that 90% of all SWF groups are toxic hell..Tell me how SWF is keeping this game alive? It's making this game complete and utter garbage for a Killer to play.
But yeah, making half your playerbase hate your game is 'keeping it alive'?
Allowing toxic 12 year olds to troll the Killer because they would throw a temper-tantrum if they EVER lost is a 'good game'?This game is slowly dying of the cancerous SWF groups making no one want to play Killer because it's boring, stressful, and not-at-all fun. And after a garbage match, we get #########-talked by anyone we MIGHT have hooked.
100% 'saved' game, there.
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This is how its looked at from a business point of view..... at least 4 people had fun in a match 1 person didnt... maybe 1 person will stop playing the game but 2 or 3 will pick it up and give it a go with their friends because they can play and hang out and talk with them.... Is it a good idea balance wise.. HELL NO... but is bad for the game in general NO!! its arguably the sole reason its still alive over 2yrs later.... business/money SWF gives BHVR thatEguzky said:@Bravo0413 said:
Eguzky said:@TatsuiChiyo said:
They'll never give Killers that choice because no Killer would choose to play it unless they gave great benefits, like 3X BP or something like that. Than these SWF groups will stop playing DBD.
That being said though, SWF as a whole isn't that bad, you can still get a 4K quite easily. It just sucks because a good majority of the SWF groups are just the trolls you mentioned who only want to ruin your fun.
If they won't add the opt-out because no one would play SWF, then maybe they should admit SWF was a garbage idea that should have never been put in in the first place.
And then the little trolls would leave and the game would be better off for it. But then the devs would not get quite as much money.
So their money > our enjoyment.
To say SWF was a garbage idea is false look at where the game is now... its because of SWF... this game wouldnt have made it this far dont kid yourself if you think otherwise.. the devs weren't even thinking that the game was going to last long let alone very as popular as it is now.. if they hadn't thrown in SWF when they did it would have been a dead game.. does suck to go against ofcourse but it's the moneymaker and as soon as they add KWF itll be even more popular
No, SWF is a garbage idea. This game was never balanced for the Survivors having voice comms.
Adding voice comms on top of every good perk Survivors have, plus needing to hit a survivor 3 times (minimum) to hook them (Making it a 12 on 1 when you think about it)PLUS the fact that 90% of all SWF groups are toxic hell..Tell me how SWF is keeping this game alive? It's making this game complete and utter garbage for a Killer to play.
But yeah, making half your playerbase hate your game is 'keeping it alive'?
Allowing toxic 12 year olds to troll the Killer because they would throw a temper-tantrum if they EVER lost is a 'good game'?This game is slowly dying of the cancerous SWF groups making no one want to play Killer because it's boring, stressful, and not-at-all fun. And after a garbage match, we get #########-talked by anyone we MIGHT have hooked.
100% 'saved' game, there.
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Oh come on, it surely won't destroy the ability for an swf to get games!
Look at the comments of people complaining about swfs! You're bound to see someone claiming swfs are easy, and so forth!
Some people love having that much deck stacked against them, and will gladly play against swfs!
They'll play swf groups, and we'll all be happy!0 -
@Eguzky said:
No, SWF is a garbage idea. This game was never balanced for the Survivors having voice comms.
Adding voice comms on top of every good perk Survivors have, plus needing to hit a survivor 3 times (minimum) to hook them (Making it a 12 on 1 when you think about it)Like how the game was never balanced around more than 3 killers. SWF has been out since the first month, relax.
Solos are also on the same team, if you didn't notice.
PLUS the fact that 90% of all SWF groups are toxic hell..Tell me how SWF is keeping this game alive? It's making this game complete and utter garbage for a Killer to play.
You're delusional and probably can't even tell which are SWF and which aren't.
But yeah, making half your playerbase hate your game is 'keeping it alive'?
Allowing toxic 12 year olds to troll the Killer because they would throw a temper-tantrum if they EVER lost is a 'good game'?This game is slowly dying of the cancerous SWF groups making no one want to play Killer because it's boring, stressful, and not-at-all fun. And after a garbage match, we get #########-talked by anyone we MIGHT have hooked.
The only problem is your perception and habit of pinning every sour game you have on SWF.
I would find you the statistics the devs have on SWF, but honestly, it's obvious that there's no point. If you think SWF are the cause of toxicity in DBD and that it would magically go away by deleting SWF, you are gravely mistaken.
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@Eguzky said:
To say SWF was a garbage idea is false look at where the game is now... its because of SWF... this game wouldnt have made it this far dont kid yourself if you think otherwise.. the devs weren't even thinking that the game was going to last long let alone very as popular as it is now.. if they hadn't thrown in SWF when they did it would have been a dead game.. does suck to go against ofcourse but it's the moneymaker and as soon as they add KWF itll be even more popular
No, SWF is a garbage idea. This game was never balanced for the Survivors having voice comms.
Adding voice comms on top of every good perk Survivors have, plus needing to hit a survivor 3 times (minimum) to hook them (Making it a 12 on 1 when you think about it)PLUS the fact that 90% of all SWF groups are toxic hell..Tell me how SWF is keeping this game alive? It's making this game complete and utter garbage for a Killer to play.
But yeah, making half your playerbase hate your game is 'keeping it alive'?
Allowing toxic 12 year olds to troll the Killer because they would throw a temper-tantrum if they EVER lost is a 'good game'?This game is slowly dying of the cancerous SWF groups making no one want to play Killer because it's boring, stressful, and not-at-all fun. And after a garbage match, we get #########-talked by anyone we MIGHT have hooked.
100% 'saved' game, there.
Yesterday I played vs 3 SWF, one was running OoO and was constantly giving away my position and they came running to tank hits for their recon machine whenever he was injured and chased.
The coordination was so obvious.
They must have been on voice com.
That's the reason why I camp every OoO user I can find.0
