The hypocrisy of Dead by Daylight
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DS and Unbreakable counter 2 built-in mechanics, Tunneling and Slugging. Which aren’t even perks. Also, what is the counter to Pop? I am specifically referring to the effect.
OP isn’t even making comparison of perks, they are saying there is hypocrisy on both sides because of people who are quick to judge the other side’s load out, while having strong perks themselves... which does exist.
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Really?
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Well, I've been playing for a LOOOOONG time as well. I remember when there was ONLY 3 killers btw. Meg would regain her sprint burst in the middle of a chase but killers still caught her! I remember playing as trapper and outsmarted survivors that thought they were safe with their infinities. An underated killer I might add, just like Clown that I'm sure is about to be buffed into something ridiculous and unfun if history is right. Most of those streamers you mentioned don't go back that far but that doesn't mean they don't know anything. They simply have no idea how hard playing killer was and how earning kills was actually an achievement and not something handed to them.
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I'm getting real sick of people seeing BBQ and PGTW together and assuming that they're some sort of big power combo. If you're looking for the actual combo, it's PGTW/Thrilling Tremors. BBQ is pretty much just there for points - it has so much counterplay, and so many people automatically expect it, that it is probably one of the least useful tracking perks in terms of actual tracking.
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literally though
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gen speeds aren't unbalanced and using a very powerful perk combo and THEN complaining about ds/ub is hypocrisy.
Secondly, ds and ub isn't really that powerful. Like wow i got ds'd and now the chase is lengthened boo hoo
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The only way to fix this is to balance the game around high level play. I know the game is balanced around low ranks so they can keep taking in cash, but enough is enough.
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i just love how you took the time and effort to explain to us that "killers should be more powerful" as if most matches aren't solos
and shitting on perks that give you an advantage is kinda idiotic like, oh wow the survs have ds/unbreakable means that they will win, or saying "you are bad because you use them" isn't a valid statement.
Killers should NOT be more powerful than survs because of balance, if you make it to where killers are more powerful then it would look more like a 1v1v1v1v1 than an actual 1v4
Also its technically considered 1v1 because survs must work as a team
nobody brought up dh, bt, and iron will
like those are all perks that have their counters
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and please just use your brains for a minute
First of all, no this is about power combos not "omg this is op"
Secondly, on another note, Balancing around high level play isn't really that good as ~70% of players are green to brown ranks so it would be stupid for you to balance a minority and expect it to effect a majority in a positive way
Thirdly, before anyone asks no i don't care what you use and how you use it i just think its a matter of hypocrisy to abuse a power combo then complain about another, nothing about balance
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Rofl
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If a gen is regressing it can’t be popped so killers can counter their own perk. Also the killer can be baited into popping the wrong gen, chasing too long, not being able to hook a survivor in time, and the gen being too far away from the downed survivor.
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I can tell you play this game at a low level if you think base gen speed is fine lol and it's also pretty clear you're a survivor main that's never rougher killer before
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i literally play them both equally and never saw gen speed as a problem, just as you sound like you only play killer at low ranks
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gens take 80 seconds to do without perks or items, that is enough time
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They aren't even close.
DS Unbreakable is an absolutely disgusting combo with no counterplay for the killer.
You either:
- Leave them alone, letting them work on gens for 60 seconds both times DS is ready
- Slug them, investing a ton of time for no pressure gain because Unbreakable
- Camp their slugged body, wasting EVEN MORE time and becoming vulnerable if they brought Soul Guard.
In case you haven't noticed... NONE of these are good for the killer. Unless you can't hit the easiest skill check in the game, you are guaranteed 60 seconds of complete safety.
Meanwhile...
- Pop has tons of counterplay. Don't go down and feed the killer pop. Don't just randomly tap gens to let the killer multi-pop. Commit to gens to finish them before the killer can pop them. Use Repressed Alliance.
- BBQ isn't overpowered in the slightest. The only reason it's meta is for Blood Points, and if you're such a sadsack that you're gonna complain about the other side getting BLOODPOINTS, that's pathetic. To avoid the aura reading...
- Hide behind gens
- Hide in lockers
- Run Distortion
- Run Off The Record
- Change directions after 4 seconds
- Get within the minimum range
- Ruin Undying isn't even that strong. It's entirely possible to get rid of the hex, and even if you don't want to do that you can just do gens through it. If you pair up on a gen, you'll be able to finish gens quickly enough that even Blight usually won't make it in time to stop you, and even if he does, you can prevent Ruin from doing anything by having the second guy hide until Blight chases the first guy off, or you can run Repressed Alliance.
Post edited by Gay Myers (Luzi) on0 -
I'm done wasting my time talking to a hardstuck rank 16 survivor let's agree to disagree
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you must be a rank 20 killer for how you attack someone for having a different opinion than you, and this is a discussion post not a i'm right you're wrong board
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i wasn't talking about whether something is op or not, this is purely a post about how its hypocritical to use a build such as ruin/undying then complain about ds/unbreakable
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you're right, i should've said that. i just said bbq because its used way more than thrilling tremors
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I completely agree w this comment.
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just don't get hooked 5head
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I think the best solution to this whole problem is to not look at it as a problem.
Just let everyone play how they want and use and abuse whatever ppl feel like.
No hypocrisy required.
I'm kind of tired of the same post w different words w the following comments being the same argument.
Killer or survivor? Who are the toxic hypocrites...
Probably the one who comes to the forums to complain about the same exact thing that someone else complained about 5 post down.
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i totally agree and the only reason i made this is to call people out for being hypocrites, not to talk about whats op or toxic
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if you play at any rank higher than rank 16 you're gonna get hooked at least once 6head
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It isn't hypocritical.
The complaint about DS Unbreakable is that it's an overpowered anti-everything loadout with no counterplay.
Ruin Undying is a powerful (but absolutely beatable) loadout with several forms of counterplay.
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r/woooosh
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Sure it can. Survivors can only use it once. Force them to use it early in the match, and they’re screwed late game.
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Undying is not "required" to make hex perks viable, why else would ruin both old and new have incredibly high usage rates before undying came along?
You've gotta remember killer's have second chances as well, it's not a one sided thing. Just because you can't actively see the second chances doesn't mean they don't exist.
There are plenty of killer mains out there, especially those who main killers other than nurse/spirit, who will show u that that last statement is not true at all.
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