We need a "no DS, BT, Unbreakable, Adrenaline, OoO" weekend

These perks being removed would be terrible for the game. Because I hope we all can agree that tunneling and camping is fun for no one. And with out ds or barrowed the best strategy would to be to tunnel. And if ur not one of those killers that would tunnel or face camp I'm sorry but there are plenty. I've had 6 today. And I'm just glad about the bloodlust bc now I can see what I'm doing wrong if I die I can't just think it's blood lust and throw away that learning moment. Like I'm 364 hours in and I just learned bloodlust goes up every 15 sec. Game don't teach u much if u don't go online.

Also Im new here why does all of these posts on almost all of the posts seem so toxic with survivor vs killer toxicity. or is that just normal

I've listened enough. You've said there are other anti-camping/tunnelling perks. If I am camping then these perks that help with camping do nothing at all.

You said if you want to save them you need to work as a team. That wouldn't matter without a flashlight, I'm getting my kill. Doesn't matter if I'm playing a perkless M1 killer I'm still getting a kill.

You said not every game is going to be a camper or tunnelled. That's actually correct. If the killer is destroying that team or is just genuinely being too nice then he won't camp or tunnel. However any good killer will turn to camping when they need to because the survivors have nothing to stop them.

You failed to give me a proper counter to a tunnelling/camping killer. You failed to acknowledge the point I made earlier about a game where there is an obsession (implying someone might have DS) and no obsession. Even with your 1,800 hours you fail to see why removing both BT and DS at the same time would be bad decision.

I'm done lol I can't keep going on my head is beginning to hurt. I'll let you have the last word since you'll want it. No matter what it says I'm done for this discussion. Good luck in your future games mate 👍 hope BL coming back tomorrow makes your killer games more fun.

Night everyone 😁 sorry for keeping this discussion open longer than it should've been.

so you can camp and tunnel all you want with no risk to it? yeah, no.

killers don't need second chances or really need any effort tho tbh lol what

Tell us again how survivors are screeching when this is like the 7000th salty killer post I've read like this this weekend.

Screech on, screecher.

This is some very jaded logic

Bloodlust as we know right now is a mechanic of a killer, but acts very much like a perk. But that doesn't mean it's the equivalent of perks. You're comparing 2 differing functions: perks and mechanics stating that they are the same.

Imo I think they are running this experiment because bloodlust acts like a perk would. I think they want to see how baseline chases would work so they can add bloodlust as a perk where it's value would be more appreciated.

If you are complaining about crutch perks this badly...well there is really no way other way to say it but you need to get good. Like this isn't a toxic remark, but an actual get better. Stop playing everyone else's way.

90 % of the fan base dont utilize most of the perks because they don't know how. Like you have to start playing your own game at some point and stop looking at "meta" perks (odd term for a game that is based around rng and not developed for competitve play)

For instance: everyone says ds is broken blahblah anti tunnel blahblah. But I love ds as a KILLER. I play with obsession perk builds like stfl and dying light and gladly eat ds because it allows you to just rack up your stacks.

Like seriousky. Stop playing vanilla and just play strategically and you'll not care about these crutch perks as much.

That would also require the totems spawning around the 3 gens so that the killer can protect them. Also, even with ruin, gen regression tick rate is still less than survivor progress tickrate, so if the survivors work together, they can definitely repair one of those last 3 gens.

Even in your very specific very rare situation, there is counterplay to ruin and undying. I don't think you understand what the word exploit means, in the context of DBD it means using a perk in a way that it is not intended to be used. Both decisive strike and bt were intended to be used as defensive perks, which is why they're so strong. They can very easily be used as offensive perks to give survivors free time, and there isn't a way to counter these perks for the killer. Killer can't stop people from unhooking in front of their face, nor can they prevent the unhooked survivor from diving into them and bodyblocking them, forcing the killer to hit them.

There really is no way for any hex perk to be exploited, unless the killer is able to choose where the totems spawn or has some way to put the totems out of reach for the survivors. Totems will always have counterplay, and that's a poor comparison to perks like DS and BT that cannot be countered by the killer. In your example, the survivors have to mess up by allowing the killer to do a 3 gen strategy, then the killer has to be lucky in having his totems within the range of the 3 gens, and he has to be lucky in that the survivors don't find the totems during the match. Survivors just need to run DS and BT to get the full value out of their perks.

they're not they are just hated

If a killer is camping with ruin and undying that defeats the entire purpose of this build (to apply pressure).

It's funny because you're targeting specific perks when bloodlust is just a mechanic. The only reason bloodlust is given because YOU screwed up I'm a rank 1 killer and I hardly need bloodlust so I don't see why you're targeting specific perks

If you take away noed and moris for this then you got a deal. Did any of you play the no perk challenge when it was on? It was a killer stomping ground

This is why you aren't and should never a be a dev, that's such a bad idea

Unfortunately its pretty much every thread on the forum is like this. Even if you politely explain your point while not putting anyone else's down. No matter what you do their will be toxic people replying with illogical bs. I chalk it up to that's just gamers for you best to just ignore it.

I agree they need to remove small groups of perks to test what good they actually do because blood lust was a key mechanic for beginner killers its necessary maybe not after a certain rank or play time but necessary all the same otherwise tou would turn off new players. This kind of testing would allow them to see more about how to balance certain perks for both killers and survivors and i think they should spend their time on that before they keep adding more to the game try to balance out the perks a bit so that we can all have a better experience regardless of skill level

Sounds like a normal Huntress game to me if I can't use those perks.

As for tunneling, not as much.

I mean, dead hard literally rewards survivors who play badly. So does DS, UB etc.

And you know what this no bloodlust did?

Made a lot of killer players quit because it actually DOES help against higher ranks.

2400+ hours in and have been to red rank before "ranking got fixed/removed" - I'd like to think that you saying this shows you aren't thinking of what killer players are going through - but you want them to give a crap about you and your game.

Really uncool, and that's why I'm on break and talking on the forums.

I think you should reconsider your play style.

You apparently run into tunnelers and campers every game. Once in a while is random misfortune. But at some point, when a pattern seems to be emerging, you should examine the common theme in those games.

bitter murmur?

I think you're underestimating the amount of tunnelers/campers in the game. I'm a red rank survivor so I barely see them anymore, but I can always tell when I have a killer that's in yellow or green ranks... because they LOVE to camp.