lets list out all the infinite/Sudo infinite loops the Blood Lust's removal has caused.

I imagine the house of pain on badham and Haddonfield are literally infinites now with the right window spawn against Deathslinger and Huntress...

Disturbed ward windows are just awful now, especially if RNG isn't on your side.

Haddonfield is just made even worse, not infinite but bloodlust made it bearable to an extent.

Midwich remains a terrible walking simulator but I guess even with bloodlust it's about the same.

Farm maps are just jokes now, you have to eat and hit every safe pallet around if you don't have some good power. That alone is fine until you realize every loop there is safe and usually interconnected.

Hence why Pseudo Infinite was used as well. Bloodlust is honestly not powerful enough to cause problems. I never understood why anyone thought it needed to go.

Which is just wrong for a game like this. A survivor that's a strong looper that you haven't even hooked yet and it's near the end of the game, of course you will go somewhere. But having to *retreat* from that area as killer against anyone near the beginning or middle of the match is ridiculous and is a testament to that loop's power level.

Saloon is a pseudo infinite vs 110s now. Car on Elementary may be an infinite for full speed killers, DEFINITELY is an infinite for slower ones.

This is my problem as well.

In 90% of situations as a killer, amping up bloodlust past 1 meant you made a mistake. If someone is looping in the shack, let them because it just isn't time efficient and that survivor needs to leave the shack corner of the map to actually do anything to threaten you.

In 10% of scenarios, it was vital to prevent the game from degenerating into utter nonsense because an area was so strong you couldn't lose out the chase in any reasonable timeframe and it was effectively a 'safe zone.' You got a kill, or a slug, and a survivor is just looping to kill time and the difference between closing that loop taking 1 minute and 3 is actually a real difference to the outcome of the game and there is nothing you can do to stop every survivor going to that loop.

The existence of Bloodlust and the removal of vacuum are pretty critical to making survivors never actually safe, which is important to the design: if the killer is willing to pay the time cost to get to Bloodlust 3, you SHOULD go down if you refuse to do a hard LOS break, and should be massively rewarded for making that break by getting that time 'free' and resetting the killer back to square 0. And then Bloodlust 1 just 'fixes' the game in a lot of ways outside of just loops (like rewarding a killer for chain chases which generally are high skill play).

A common misconception is that among equally skilled killers, bloodlust is an unfair advantage. But in reality Bloodlust is a pretty nuanced mechanic with a lot of use cases and which disproportionately affects matches with extremely skilled survivors. The assumption that low rank/skill killers will be affected hard kinda misses the problem with nerfing Bloodlust: Until you get to like... rank 5, odds are extremely good there are multiple survivors in your game that have no idea how to loop and thus you will often never hit Bloodlust 1 in normal chase because you either get the down fast or don't get it at all as they hard break LOS on you. Like a rank 10 killer up against a Claudette running in a straight line dropping every pallet immediately upon reaching it isn't going to need bloodlust. Those survivors already just get squashed or do silly things like run in to do a hook save eating a hit like a champ, just like they saw on stream, without BT or DH.

Bloodlust existed to solve major problems created by extremely skilled survivor play oriented around wasting as much time of the killer as possible and using the math of the killer's tempo oriented gameplay against them. As a rank 1 pig main when playing killer side it isn't unplayable per-say, but the loss of rank 1 bloodlust is VERY noticeable and makes every single chase way less rewarding, and the loss of 2 and 3 makes the 2v1 endgame kinda a huge pain in the ass.

I honestly wouldn't mind if this trial resulted in a general nerf to chain windows, which are the real core cause of this issue. Certain common tiles like L+T when they spawn next to each other are way too strong. Windows grow exponentially in power the more windows are near each other, especially when there are long walls on both sides of the window, and I think Bloodlust could go away if the anti-infinite window blocking was just 'smarter' and did things like count certain windows as 'the same window' so that multiple windows still have mindgame strength but aren't essentially different windows for the purpose of a loop resource. That still would let the killer 'force' the chase over a similar length of time to bloodlust ticking up, but removes the speed aspect of Bloodlust. That would still probably require shrinking the killer hitbox down to match the survivor though for the purpose of terrain collision for certain loops still.

Pseudoinfinites are as bad as infinite infinites. An 'infinite' doesn't actually need to hold up for any length of time. If a loop can sustain a survivor by itself for over a minute, it is functionally an infinite. The problem with these locations is they tend to allow the survivor to buy a disproportionate amount of chase time without spending resources (Pallets, blocked windows, ects) and killer play is extremely tempo oriented. This isn't terrible, strong areas of the map the killer is encouraged to just let the survivor loop in to go pressure other survivors are fine, the issue is when these strong loops become too common (again, a good example is side to side L+T spawns giving survivors easy access to 2 pallets and 4 windows) and centralized in a manner that makes it not realistic to end chases outside of these loops.

I hate the main building so much.Super fun how survivors can chain those 2 windows :D

You guys forget Crane loops in AutoHeaven? Its car loops on steroid.

Its where the crane edge parts that Survivors can run pass it, but Killers have to take around it. Causing infinite.