I get that people want an LGBT character, but...

Here's my thing about it. You can say your x y z but unless you're actually doing it, it's all lip service.

Like as a straight man, I can appreciate a body builder. They look great. They do a good job. I can say man that dude is hot. Doesn't mean anything. I can say it's my identity, but it's not. A person is more than their sexuality.

You can partake in gay acts. You can let people know that hey. I do those things, but you are not defined by it. If you're trans then you probably want to be treated like the gender you're transitioning to. You'd take on that genders characteristics and there wouldn't be a second guess. You can't say I'm transitioning to a straight man and date men. A straight man wouldn't date a straight man. You know?

Now translate that to the game. A lot of men get penetrated (on hooks) in this game. You're probably not going to treat the survivor any different due to their sexuality because stereotypes. They're just going to be a normal survivor. Unless you put a paragraph in the lore or something.

I don't get it.

Second post regarding LGBT of today so i'll just copy my comment.

While i'm part of the movement, i can't understand the mania of some people to be acknowledge on everything, every single character can be part of the movement, it doesn't get more importance because it's written on their bio.

This is one of the reasons why society is the way it is, because instead of normalizing something that is indeed normal, movements try to force everything into.

So when it happens i hope it does because of time and not because of post like this, peace <3

All these people posting about something they don't care about, must be something in the water.

itd be nice to have a character be a drag queen, or some of the sorts. IMAGINE THE COSMETIC POTENTIAL FOR A DRAG QUEEN SURVIVOR?

No one wants a character who's entire persona is defined by "they gay", no real person is like that.

People like having characters they can relate to, and it's not like a gay person can't relate to straight characters, but they can't relate to any in that particular aspect, whereas straight people can. Sexual identity is still part of identity.

There's plenty of characters who're confirmed straight, and that's not a big deal, a character being confirmed gay shouldn't be a big deal either, they should just be yet another unique character. There's no reason one shouldn't be added, so why not add one?

Do you think they should rewrite lore where they mention straight relationships? So they're consistent? Or do you want them to just remove the gay?

Adding someone LGBT+ doesn't mean they were only created with being LGBT+ in mind.The process doesn't have to be any different than adding a straight character.It's a line in their lore,the lore is the exact same thing whenever or not it says boyfriend/husband or girlfriend/wife.

If a character is revealed to be LGBT from the start they are ,,only making them to be LGBT'' or if they're revealed later on they are ,,changing the lore to pander''.

When it comes to games with some level of customization, some people like being able to create or otherwise be able to use characters that they can identify with in some way, or that reflect some aspects that they enjoy, visual or otherwise.

An LGBT+ character would simply have this one aspect that some people may identify with.

Now, it was said specifically in the QaA that they don't want to make a character whose only trait is "Is LGBT+", which I think is the right way to approach these kinds of things. Unlike say Overwatch, where they just say "oh Soldier 73 is gay now" and that can be found absolutely nowhere in game...

Even though I'm not to bothered by the lack of this one specific thing, I do sympathise with people who would like to have specific character traits available to them in videogames with character customization or a large roster of characters.

I am a mega fan of good character customization in games, and have in the past dropped or loved games based on being able to make a character to my liking. A lot of the time, the characters I would like to be able to make are just not possible options in most character creators, so I fully understand people wanting certain options they like or can identify with to be available. I can tell you right now if we had a male survivor that looks very feminine and uses the female survivor shape, I would instantly become a survivor main lol

Also, BHVR did say that representation is important to them. So it's a good thing to hold them to their word, because they shouldn't get to benefit from the good will of people who do find this aspect important without following through on their promise. Just like they shouldn't get the goodwill of people who buy their product only to find that the new Ormond makes fps dip to 35... they should be held to their word on whatever promises they make.

Edit: Misspelled sympathise

jesus christ, just lock these threads up already.

Not because it should not be discussed, but because it never leads to any sort of constructive discussion. Its the same ######### every time, the same arguments and comments on loop.

• I dont want the globohomo agenda in my game
• I dont care and people should not care (but if they add it into the game then I will care)
• Its just pandering to lgbt people for money and stuff
• People will get offended if they see gay people on hooks
• "but what about Russia and the Arab world?"

• I want to be represented
• I want the devs to add gay people so the bigots in the community will show up and we can ban them
• I want gay characters because diversity and stuff
• I want trans, drag queens, demisexuals, asexuals, pansexuals, queers...

God I ######### hate these threads so much.

It's simple: Representation. If that reason doesn't suffice, then it is probably not for you to understand.

Dead by Daylight has stood out amongst many games due to the roster of characters who come from different cultures and backgrounds while being fleshed out through their struggles, behaviors, experiences, etc. in their lore . Queer culture is no different and has a place in the world of video games, so I don't see why it wouldn't in a game where it is obvious you are able play as characters that you could relate to.

For me personally, being someone who is into cosmetics in video games and someone who is into fashion IRL. I am super excited for what the devs can come up and how creative they can get depending on what 'themes' they introduce cosmetic-wise.

Why is this such a big deal? If bhvr add an lgbt character everyone would be satisfied. Gay people would have their representation in game and homophobes would be happy to tunnel or sandbag them in game. It's a win-win scenario.

People who truly doesn't care should not mind it either. For me it's just another character to play as/against. I actually was surprised that trere is so much people against lgbt. I've heard it's ok in your developed countries.

Firstly, its important to note that while this seems like a reasonable argument, trying to say 'we shouldn't have bad representation' what it actually does is create an artificially inflated standard on LGBTQ+ characters.

Specifically, a LGBTQ+ character should be able to fill every role a straight, cis character does, and implying that you need to meet certain qualifications to be a 'good' LGBTQ+ character itself is part of the problem: Your trying to force people to justify the existence of queer characters. So lets drop pretense.

You wouldn't bat an eye if a male character mentioned that they had a wife in a story. But if that same male character said they had a husband, you would apply different expectations to the inclusion of that character in attempt to declare that they are 'pandering' or 'forced in' or whatever. Even if they are exclusively there to be a male straight character in a relationship. Like "The Hillbilly's Mom and Dad" are explicit characters in DBD, who SOLELY exist to be a heterosexual couple who abused their child, but no one is saying they are arbitrarily forcing romance into the game. Likewise, Nea isn't Sweedish just to force 'a token Sweed,' despite the fact that Nea being Sweedish has NO impact on the game and is something you would never learn through pure gameplay because it exists entirely in the backstory, its because it would be weird if The Entity was capturing killers from all over the world and across time from all walks of life but mysteriously was only nabbing white American survivors.

In essence, your assuming straight and cis is 'default' or 'regular' or 'normal' (In fact, you pretty much said the quiet part out loud there) which is the entire problem: Because you view straight and cis as 'default' any deviation needs to be justified, that queer people are only allowed to exist 'for a reason' because otherwise you made someone 'not normal' for 'no reason.' When that reason can be as simple as 'queer people exist.'

Gay characters can be as one dimensional as straight characters, they can be as dynamic as straight characters. Their relationship can be all their character is about, just like many straight characters in stories, or it could just be one facet of who they are. All of those should be good and shouldn't result in any increased burden on the creators to justify it. Sometimes people are just gay, or bi, or trans, or nonbinary. Stories can be about the unique issues we face, because in many aspects of our lives our identities can be extremely important to our experiences, or those can be incidental because in many aspects of our lives that identity is incidental. So it isn't even that 'the character doesn't have to JUST be about their sexuality as a flat character' but 'Gay people should be able to be any type of character. Not every character in a story is a dimensional character, in fact most characters in a well written story are flat and non-dynamic, why can't some be gay?' And why can't some dynamic leads be incidentally gay in stories not about being gay?

As to why people specifically want an EXPLICITLY LGBTQ+ character?

Because 'assuming anyone could be gay' isn't equal representation. It is, again, a pretend way to say 'we already have it' when we clearly don't, because characters are confirmed straight all the time. Again, you just internalized it as 'default' so much you can't see how stuff like 'The nurse had a husband' is confirming her to be straight (or at least presents straight, I mean she is from somewhere around WW1/WW2, one could argue she had to marry a man to survive, but its implied her marriage was happy), meaning that its acceptable to reveal the sexuality of characters...

...As long as they are straight.

And yes, these reveals are advancing the story of these characters because your love life informs a lot about you, so they aren't JUST revealing that they are straight, but there is little reason you couldn't do the same for LGBTQ+ characters. It isn't that Nurse should be a Lesbian from the 1920s (It would be hard to make that not the case without seriously altering her background, and it would play into some truly horrific tropes to have the first gay character be a killer driven to madness by the tragedy of being gay), It isn't just that the new survivor had a boyfriend or whatever, maybe their boyfriend got kidnapped by the entity too. Or maybe they got lost on a mountain and they were part of a rescue party and got nabbed. Or any number of potential stories that include people who aren't straight.

If its a worry the character will be one dimensional, they could always make an existing character gay just as part of one of the background bits. Would Meg suddenly become a 'token character' if it was revealed she was into girls, despite all this interesting stuff we know about her like how she is both absurdly driven but at the same time gave up what she was driven about to take care of someone she cared about? Obviously not. So why worry a new character who is gay would 'just' be gay? That is a silly thing to assume and is pretty clearly trying to reduce a reasonable request to a ridiculous one by pretending that what people asked for ("a character who is LGBTQ+") is actually something different and unreasonable ("I want a character who's entire identity is their gay identity").

Also, to be clear, some people do live their life very openly queer and make it visible and a huge part of their identity. And most of those people are ######### awesome people because they chose to do that to make other people safer and to normalize being queer or not conforming to gender expectations that hurt real world people, as well as to create non-traditionally masculine/feminine role models for people who might not have them, or to visibly show them that queer people exist and they aren't alone and that being out is a thing you CAN be. The IRL queer equivalent of being willing to loop the killer to protect green rank baby queers trying to figure themselves out. So if your implying someone with dyed hair and a rainbow pin or whatever is 'making being gay their entire personality' you missed the point. Some LGBTQ+ people wanna be unassuming gen jockeys because it empowers their community, others wanna be loud and proud because it protects their community. Both are freaking rad and no human being has to earn your respect for who they are if who they are has absolutely no bearing on you.

TL;DR: Because straight characters are confirmed all the time and are never questioned for being straight regardless of how 3 dimensional or dynamic a character they are. Any type of character should be possible to confirm for being gay. It isn't just 'oh we don't say explicitly so it could be anyone' because its said explicitly a LOT about straightness.

If you're indifferent about the addition of LGBTQ characters then what's the problem. The fact remains that people out there do actually care and this is for those people. It's not that hard to understand...

Hell the devs even said they're not going to make characters solely based on their sexuality soo... Yeah what's the big deal?

You also said dbd is controlled by the illuminati