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Sadly this event encourages some really bad, toxic and unfun playstyles
I will probably get downvoted but please read my post first...
I was really excited for the event and really like the skins and bonus objectives all that but I have to say that this event also encourages bad, toxic, and unfun playstyles.
The main problem: You can't get normal games anymore.
As a survivor, my fellow survivors just want to get their serum gathered ASAP. They don't unhook or do gens until they gathered everything.
After that they want to die as quickly as possible and move on to the next game and gather new serum. Until they die they just farm each other off the hook, try to rescue themselves and then don't struggle.
It's really, really bad if you ask me.
As a killer I can't get normal games either. I let survivors get their serums 3 or 4 games but after that it just gets boring because everyone expects you to farm and if you don't do that they just dc...
In my opinion this event was not really thought out. While having side objectives is nice, previous events didn't encourage this sort of behaviour.
What do you think and what are your experiences with the event so far?
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I encourage you to play SWF until you're all finished on the survivor side.
There will be less greed and it's fun to compete with friends to get a vial.2 -
No I agree absolutely. On both sides this event is terrible. Not letting you work on multiple vials at a time was a terrible idea.
Good ideas, bad execution. Behavior Entertainment in a nutshell.
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@FairyFox said:
Yup. Guess I have to wait 2 weeks until I can get normal games again...It's literally get serum -> let killer hook you intentionally -> die -> repeat.
Boring as [BAD WORD]. I don't know why the devs haven't thought about the farming aspect of this event.
You can't stop farming - this game is about survivors interacting with things and the killer may chose or chose not to kill you, there's nothing BHVR can do if people want to do this.
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Pretty much the same thing. Games where I don't want to farm... Survivors walk up to my hook and point at it and let me hook them. Don't wanna do it but what are you going to do? Hit them twice and face camp them to get the point across? Survivor side I think sucks. Teammates just die on their first hook cause they've hit the notch. And Hex: Ruin on top of getting serum is just an instant lose. It seems like when that's the case all 4 survivors just get the serum and let the killer hook them. I've been doing it too. Just too long. No chance to survive for a game going that long.
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Have 15 survivor vials and 14 offerings left to burn. First half was fill up and get sacrificed, last half was fill vial and resume normal game.
Its taking its toll on both sides i think, i see some killers not even using the event hooks when you dont wiggle.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@FairyFox said:
Yup. Guess I have to wait 2 weeks until I can get normal games again...It's literally get serum -> let killer hook you intentionally -> die -> repeat.
Boring as [BAD WORD]. I don't know why the devs haven't thought about the farming aspect of this event.
You can't stop farming - this game is about survivors interacting with things and the killer may chose or chose not to kill you, there's nothing BHVR can do if people want to do this.
Last events there was no farming. Survivors had to do gens and that's it. Now they just want serums and die. It's the devs fault if they implement such abuseable mechanics.
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@Claudette_Baguette said:
Last events there was no farming. Survivors had to do gens and that's it. Now they just want serums and die. It's the devs fault if they implement such abuseable mechanics.Sorry - but I've seen more killers complain about there not being enough things for survivors to do, now there's even more things and people are still complaining, they literally can't win.
Survivors kill themselves on the hook daily, get your Serum, get out, or get your Serum and die. I don't see at that much of an issue, if it's really becoming a deal SWF with friends.
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I think its easier id just msg any english survivors and explain I will.let you all get the plant if you guys let me get my.hooks in for mine then they can do gens or dc upto them0
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Claudette_Baguette said:
Last events there was no farming. Survivors had to do gens and that's it. Now they just want serums and die. It's the devs fault if they implement such abuseable mechanics.Sorry - but I've seen more killers complain about there not being enough things for survivors to do, now there's even more things and people are still complaining, they literally can't win.
Survivors kill themselves on the hook daily, get your Serum, get out, or get your Serum and die. I don't see at that much of an issue, if it's really becoming a deal SWF with friends.
This is an event. It is not an attempt to slow down the game permanently. That's a completely different story.
Survivors just abuse the mechanics. They get the serum, hooked and die and repeat. That's boring and not fun for killers anyway because survivors have no will to live or survive after the serums. If you think this as a permanent addition would make the game better I don't know anymore.
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@Claudette_Baguette said:
This is an event. It is not an attempt to slow down the game permanently. That's a completely different story.Survivors just abuse the mechanics. They get the serum, hooked and die and repeat. That's boring and not fun for killers anyway because survivors have no will to live or survive after the serums. If you think this as a permanent addition would make the game better I don't know anymore.
Whilst I agree this is an event, i do also think it's a test to see the impact of secondary survivor objectives to see how they fit in, if they do at all.
While playing my 15 matches that I had earlier before work not once did I have a random run around, get serum and suicide on the hook - everyone played until he end or their time was up.
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Everything posted above and more. I've also seen killers working with survivors and singling people out. It's pathetic.
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All I’m doing is getting those 4 hooks, and then just toying with
survivors and letting them leave.
Im quite enjoying it.
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Its 6 hooks neededDarkWo1f997 said:All I’m doing is getting those 4 hooks, and then just toying with
survivors and letting them leave.
Im quite enjoying it. 0 -
Well I can only get so many in a match...redsopine1 said:
Its 6 hooks neededDarkWo1f997 said:All I’m doing is getting those 4 hooks, and then just toying with
survivors and letting them leave.
Im quite enjoying it.
if there was no cap, I’d be getting 4k’s again.0 -
@SenzuDuck said: Whilst I agree this is an event, i do also think it's a test to see the impact of secondary survivor objectives to see how they fit in, if they do at all.
Then it is an extremely piss-poor test as a game play design test in regards to what is normally talked about. The secondary objective they have in place right now is disconnected from the core game, and farmable and abusable as people have already stated.
Whereas the secondary objectives usually discussed, such as generator parts and/or fuel canisters, are directly connected to the core game: Being able to repair and power the generators to then power the gates.
You can't effectively datamine secondary objectives for the core game when using disconnected secondary objectives like this as your source.
And I'm speaking as someone who has done game design. I did it for 12 years.
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@Kilmeran said:
Then it is an extremely piss-poor test as a game play design test in regards to what is normally talked about. The secondary objective they have in place right now is disconnected from the core game, and farmable and abusable as people have already stated.Whereas the secondary objectives usually discussed, such as generator parts and/or fuel canisters, are directly connected to the core game: Being able to repair and power the generators to then power the gates.
You can't effectively datamine secondary objectives for the core game when using disconnected secondary objectives like this as your source.
And I'm speaking as someone who has done game design. I did it for 12 years.
While I agree it is disconnected from the core game play this is simply a theory and is in no way shape or form true, it's just what I'm thinking, whether it is or not doesn't really matter.
Survivors have always insta died, insta DCed etc, it happens, the same goes for killers DCing they all do it without reason DCs are being dealt with and survivors that go and chase the killer so they can be killed I suggest you maybe report them for unsportsmanlike conduct, I'm pretty sure it falls under that.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Kilmeran said:
Then it is an extremely piss-poor test as a game play design test in regards to what is normally talked about. The secondary objective they have in place right now is disconnected from the core game, and farmable and abusable as people have already stated.Whereas the secondary objectives usually discussed, such as generator parts and/or fuel canisters, are directly connected to the core game: Being able to repair and power the generators to then power the gates.
You can't effectively datamine secondary objectives for the core game when using disconnected secondary objectives like this as your source.
And I'm speaking as someone who has done game design. I did it for 12 years.
While I agree it is disconnected from the core game play this is simply a theory and is in no way shape or form true, it's just what I'm thinking, whether it is or not doesn't really matter.
Survivors have always insta died, insta DCed etc, it happens, the same goes for killers DCing they all do it without reason DCs are being dealt with and survivors that go and chase the killer so they can be killed I suggest you maybe report them for unsportsmanlike conduct, I'm pretty sure it falls under that.
Oh, I know it's only your theory. Granted, I can see where my reply didn't indicate that.
As far as the behavior actually going on, it doesn't affect me at all. Since Dead by Daylight is really a side game for me, since I realized that I'm just not a huge fan of the asymmetrical genre after all (this was my first foray into it), I'm not even bothering with the event as an inexperienced new player. If there happens to be a Blight skin or two that I might want later, I'll just slap the cash down for them.
In the meantime, I'm just playing my main game (Overwatch) and I'll look into DBD again after the event ends and matches return to normal. Right now, I'm not even bothering to try to learn more of the game under these conditions.
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@Claudette_Baguette said:
After that they want to die as quickly as possible and move on to the next game and gather new serum.
Can you blame them though?
That's the most efficient way to gather the stuff.
Best method imo is to get 1 full plant or a few till you have gathered 1/3 vial and then just die and go do the same thing in every game.
If you don't do it that way and the killer is decent then you will all die before you finish 4 gens , unless you are a full pro looping swf team.0 -
Agree 100%. Necter should be on the gens.
Actually it might encourage even better play if you only got your nector if someone escapes. More people escape, more nector. That way it encourages team play and still normalish games.0 -
As I have already written elsewhere, some people want to survive, others seek bloodpoints, and it's easier to earn many points by extracting juice than repairing or cleansing or saving hooked companions. I should had set a percentage of the total, instead of a fixed amount, as juice bonus, so no objectives, no extra points.
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most of the games ive had today as survivor has been almost all surviving , I think 2 games a killer got a 4k and it was because of what the op said . I just started killer side and I haven't had any survivors throwing themselves at me but I have run across if I play freddy with the offering for the event about half way into the game it crashes every time . ive tried other offering and they are fine , only when I use the event ones .
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Event is just really tedious for survivors.
Same as the original events for killers though, grinding killer ones is the easiest and fastest.
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I haven't even been able to queue as Killer because everyone else is. I really don't care what people think tho, I'm farming the ######### out of the event. Get mad or whatever who cares. Gameplay for this is literally farm, wash, repeat.
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Glad there's some beacons of light posting.
Something about this event puts me in the giving mood.
I make the offerings of Pustula Petals in hopes everyone walks out with some progress on the event if they want it, be they killer or survivor.I started a trial as a survivor, and saw one other survivor bail just before the trial started. Like super last second on the countdown.
2 DCed after I guess filling their vials.
So it's just me and Billy, and practically nothing is done, aside from filling my vial. Something like that.
I'm like... "hell with it." Run out there, get near an untapped hook, run into the Billy. I let'em hook me.
Really happy that once the vial is corked, it doesn't drain.I generally hope that the killer doesn't waste hooking me on a normal hook, and can work that stick out of their butts.
If I'm harvesting, chill out. Might even be inclined to give a hook for the time.Hope survivors can deal with harvesters, because they aughta run into them. Stop and smell the flowers!
As it stands, depending on the pace the survivors set, I just wanna use the special hooks. After that, I'll chase, and what not, but I'm not going to be mad if you escape.
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Yeah this event should be a truly who gives a #########. If you're try harding during this event then that just describes who you are as a person and it's kinda sad. No one is taking this seriously and you're putting every one else in a ######### mood when you stop survivors from harvesting and same to survivors who just run away from the hook or wiggle out. Just let it happen and let people get the free skins they all bitched for. Once every one is done then game play will resume just as normal and ignore the special crap in the game and just focus on gens. Till then, relax, take in the scenery and jfc have fun.
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My experience from the 4 matches I played as survivor and that I required to fill 1 vial:
- 2 offerings = get 3 harvested messages before I even find the first flower. Survivors suicide on hook.
- 2 offerings = killer uses memento mori
- 2 offerings = killer tunnels and camps
- 4 offerings = finally filled my vial. Feeling generous and let the killer hook me without struggling. Get tunneled after that.
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I actually disagree, if they did this gen rushing would be more common then if their was no event and it would make the event look like a re-skin of the other two events. Its actually well balanced When you get survivors who do gens in the beginning then farm nectar mid game and don't just waste 2m looking for plants before doing gens. If this was not an event but part of the game as a mega bp objective or required thing then games would last longer and be more fun when survivors are not wasting time competing for serum.MisterCremaster said:Agree 100%. Necter should be on the gens.
Actually it might encourage even better play if you only got your nector if someone escapes. More people escape, more nector. That way it encourages team play and still normalish games.1 -
Yeah the event itself isn't the issue it's the same people that do this every event are the issue. I've had matches where people now the killer is there and still farm the nectar. In fact duo's or trios and even full single groups will sandbag each other to get the stuff.
The killer side isn't much better, killers camping the 1st event hook and never leaving or only patrolling the nectar sacs and ignoring everything else. It's been almost exclusively Billy's, Nurses, Spirits, Wraiths. Anything with really high mobility to get from nectar to nectar is what you see.
That doesn't even include the lag switchers that're so bad at doing it it practically screams at you and they stop and pause to do it. Now on the other hand you get some really nice killers and survivors that want to farm but also play for objectives.
It's a good thing event hooks are immune to sabo because some of the killers out there would've indirectly been grieving their fellow brethren.
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@AChaoticKiller said:
I actually disagree, if they did this gen rushing would be more common...You obviously have not been playing very long. All of the previous events have not had this issue, so your statement is proven false.
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I got nearly 1k hours and in the previous events I had a ton of gen rushers. People want tokens so they rush to the gen and get them done asap. Also what got proven false, because you said so? Where's your proof.Kaelum said:@AChaoticKiller said:
I actually disagree, if they did this gen rushing would be more common...You obviously have not been playing very long. All of the previous events have not had this issue, so your statement is proven false.
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@AChaoticKiller said:
People want tokens so they rush to the gen and get them done asap.How does this differ from when there isn’t an event? You just keep proving my point over, and over, again.
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It differs because unlike regular games, you get a ton of blood points for doing your primary objective without having to focus on other tasks such as saves, totems and getting chase points. You just gen rush. This event actually does a good job at preventing this if you want serum. The problem is that survivors compete for the plants right from the start instead of working as a team to do a few gens and getting them mid to late game. How about you stop talking nonsense and come up with a valid point instead of just saying I'm wrong.Kaelum said:@AChaoticKiller said:
People want tokens so they rush to the gen and get them done asap.How does this differ from when there isn’t an event? You just keep proving my point over, and over, again.
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@AChaoticKiller said:
It differs because unlike regular games, you get a ton of blood points for doing your primary objective...It is not possible to have a conversation with someone who misrepresents the facts. That is only partially accurate, but then you already knew that.
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Ok at this point I'm fairly sure your trolling. You did not answer my first question which was where is your proof to go against my response and you don't answer with anything other than I'm right here's one sentence as to why your wrong. If anything your the one were its impossible to have a real conversation because you don't provide evidence or even anything really. Like I said before, have a valid point if your going to have an agrument and if you actually do this, don't just point out one part of my response and instead address the whole thing.Kaelum said:@AChaoticKiller said:
It differs because unlike regular games, you get a ton of blood points for doing your primary objective...It is not possible to have a conversation with someone who misrepresents the facts. That is only partially accurate, but then you already knew that.
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@AChaoticKiller said:
You did not answer my first question which was where is your proof...Just because you refuse to acknowledge what someone says, does not mean that they didn’t do what you asked. Have a great trolling night, as I won’t be visiting your bridge anymore.
DON’T FEED THE TROLLS
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Methinks one of you is being to stubborn to admit your wrong
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@kaelum Also what did I misrepresent. In regular games you try to maximise your blood point gain while trying to escape. If you don't do this you get every low amount around 12k to 15k. In the previous events all you just did was focus on the event gens. They gave you a TON of bp, they were the main objective you had to do, and because of the massive amount of bp you get there was no need to extend the match to earn a decent amount of bp. This is perfect for gen rush since you had short games but still got a good profit. So again tell me what am I misrepresenting.0
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Yea should not feed trolls. After all they never have something to use as a good back bone to win a argument with and they never answer your questions. Not to mention they don't address the whole post but instead take out a small part and try to sound all high and mighty with it.Kaelum said:@AChaoticKiller said:
You did not answer my first question which was where is your proof...Just because you refuse to acknowledge what someone says, does not mean that they didn’t do what you asked. Have a great trolling night, as I won’t be visiting your bridge anymore.
DON’T FEED THE TROLLS
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First day of any event,.in any game, for as long as online games and events have existed, has been this way.
Mad rush for event materials for first weekend...Then back to same ol'.
Only feedback is they should have allowed this event to run all of October instead of 2 weeks (like most well populated online games do). Stupid.1 -
Yeah I agree. This is my first event on DBD, and, 5 hours into the event, most of my matches have been extremely crappy. Ive been getting at least 1 survivor that runs around filling their vial and then not caring once they get hooked. It gimps the rest of the survivors trying to play the game normally.
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This event allows killers to get 4ks very easy i notice
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@Claudette_Baguette said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@FairyFox said:
Yup. Guess I have to wait 2 weeks until I can get normal games again...It's literally get serum -> let killer hook you intentionally -> die -> repeat.
Boring as [BAD WORD]. I don't know why the devs haven't thought about the farming aspect of this event.
You can't stop farming - this game is about survivors interacting with things and the killer may chose or chose not to kill you, there's nothing BHVR can do if people want to do this.
Last events there was no farming. Survivors had to do gens and that's it. Now they just want serums and die. It's the devs fault if they implement such abuseable mechanics.
I mean...
for them pretty skins...
why wouldn't i do anything else.generators are boring to begin with, atleast with the vials i get something out of it lol
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The game should've allowed survivors to get them by repairing gens.
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@MikeMyers said:
Best rewards, worst mechanics.Some of my friends are already done with gathering 30 serums on survivor... Now the event is basically over for them. There's nothing to do after that.
And after the event is over you will have tons of useless offerings on your characters where you spend bloodpoints on and wasted them because you get so many offerings.
Nice lie.
Nobody had 30 vials by the time you wrote that, the event wasn't even up long enough for someone to get it. It takes 18 hours of perfect matches to get 30 full vials.
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@Fictionalname said:
@MikeMyers said:
Best rewards, worst mechanics.Some of my friends are already done with gathering 30 serums on survivor... Now the event is basically over for them. There's nothing to do after that.
And after the event is over you will have tons of useless offerings on your characters where you spend bloodpoints on and wasted them because you get so many offerings.
Nice lie.
Nobody had 30 vials by the time you wrote that, the event wasn't even up long enough for someone to get it. It takes 18 hours of perfect matches to get 30 full vials.
Are you sure? You can't just like change your region to Africa and farm as a 5 man team? I used to have friends that did that. If you did that I'm pretty sure it would only take a few hours of farming.
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How is it any different that every single over event we got thuse far?
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So uh. Been playing a few games as killer since I woke up. 4 games in a row the survivors walk up to me. Won't run. Won't play the game. I keep farming with them because I don't feel pathetic enough to just hang them up and end the game. This is really really bad. How are other people handling this? Are you just killing them all or is every game just turning into a farm fest? I really don't want to farm. I just wanna play.
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@GrannyonAcid said:
So uh. Been playing a few games as killer since I woke up. 4 games in a row the survivors walk up to me. Won't run. Won't play the game. I keep farming with them because I don't feel pathetic enough to just hang them up and end the game. This is really really bad. How are other people handling this? Are you just killing them all or is every game just turning into a farm fest? I really don't want to farm. I just wanna play.If you don't want to farm, I recommend you avoid playing during events.
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The event is fine, what's not fine is people's behaviour, as any other event, this is no exception.I didn't encounter a single toxic Killer, on the other hand, Survivors, again, proved me wrong, someone said toxicity started from Survivors, all i can do right is give 100% credibility to that
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This isn't any different from past events honestly.
And i'm still having a good time.0
