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How would you nerf nurse?
So before someone riots. Let me explain.
When survivor would be changed so that killer like Bubba or Doctor are viable at tournaments, how would you bring nurse down to their level?
I think its easier to bring other killer like spirit down to this level, so my question is pnly about nurse.
Maybe nurse needs to be stronger bc she is harder to learn? But i think the difference between her and bubba is still to far at the moment.
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The thing that makes Nurse so strong is that she literally ignores all the things that survivors have to extend chase (environmentally, not perk wise), Nurse doesn't have to deal with windows, pallets or even walls, in order to bring her down to the level of a killer such as Bubba she would probably have to be reworked completely which would probably be more hassle than it's worth.
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Adjusting game balance according to the top percentile of the players aka tournament participants (dbd tournaments lmao) is a legit way to kill off a game. A notable example of that is Overwatch.
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First of all, I dont think that there is any issue with different power levels. Some Killers are weaker than others, but they are (most of the time) also easier to play. And there is nothing wrong with that, you can have simple Killers, but should not expect them to be really dominating. The only exception is Freddy who is the easiest to play while being far to strong for his level of difficulty.
When it comes to Nurse, you cannot nerf her to be on par with other Killers. Her Kit is designed to be broken, to bring her down, you would need to completely destroy her and alter her values in a way that she is weak.
You could only achieve a somewhat similar power level by giving her a complete Rework. This means that you would need to buff her Movement Speed to at least 4.4 m/s (but probably 4.6 m/s would be needed) and remove her ability to blink through Objects. Meaning that a Nurse would still be able to use Blinks (if you want to keep this part of her Kit), but will not be possible to ignore Windows or Pallets and will not be possible to blink through Walls. So that she can use the Blinks to catch up, but not to ignore all the stuff in her way.
And I dont think that this is something that should be done. It would probably be the healthiest thing to do because Nurse will always be a problem for Balance. And she is in fact a design failure which would not go into the game anymore, but 2016 a lot of things were possible.
However, Nurse is in the game for so long and I feel it would be wrong to alter her Kit in such a significant way. The only thing that helps with her current kit is that she is
a) hard to learn and
b) not needed to win games
Back then you basically had to be good with Nurse to have consistent wins, now you can do that with every Killer. And when you want to have a Killer on a somewhat similar Power Level, there is Spirit.
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Nurse is literally slower than survivors... She takes a really long time to master and even then she isn't gonna 4k every match...
How about we nerf posts like these? "Oh boo hoo I died to a good nurse literally the hardest killer to learn so instead of saying gg nicely played Imma complain about it on the forums"
Literally every killer can lose just remember that
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Actually a good Nurse will 4k almost every match, not only that but where did OP complain about dying to a Nurse, they were just wondering how Nurse could be brought down to the level of other killers.
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I wouldn't nerf her, she is fine (other than bugs and weak add ons.) A good Nurse is extremely hard to play and no you shouldn't be able to counter her if she blinks right on top of you.
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Look to make her more userfriendly and then we can talk about nerfs.
There are like 5 people that devoted their life to master her. Let them have their fun. Most nurses are a complete joke
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There is counterplay to everything a nurse does people just dont know how to play against a good one because they don't see it enough, the nurse does everything based off of predicting what a survivor is about to do , if you start being unpredictable it will be harder to land a hit , a good nurse will immediately identify if you're a double backer or a full sender when running from her and then play off of that knowledge, mixing it up can confuse even the best nurse and force them into a poor decision for example: let's say I run around the corner and I'm about to double back , a good nurse will blink to where she last saw you anticipating a double back and land the hit , but if you full send it in a not so obvious direction just gaining distance from the said wall it's way harder to predict where I'm full sending it and opens the door to double back the next time I'm in that situation, faking windows can also force the nurse to blink in or out of an area that you don't intend on running to waste a blink, also keeping track of how many blinks she has and how long it takes to recharge is important, The nurse doesn't need a nerf or a buff she's fine where she's at just be lucky a 5 blink nurse with little to no downsides isn't a thing anymore THAT'S when it was hard to play against a nurse
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Great assumption. What a useless post. The last time i played against a nurse is over a week ago. Against a good nurse i cant even remember. Maybe answer my question or just write nothing.
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Should maps have more line of sight blockers to give more oppurtunities for counterplay?
I mean you are right, in tournaments a nurse dont 4k every game. In the current state of the game nurse is balanced.
Maybe the right way is to dont nerf nurse, its to nerf survivor only against other killers. Like the map reworks. It doesnt helps a nurse that there a fewer good pallets, but it makes other killer stronger.
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Honestly I think even that's fine because there are only certain maps where you're just SOL against her like shelter woods being so open but I think a training mode is desperately needed so more people can get better with her and start seeing her more often , it's hard to judge whats needed or not based off the limited data you get from the nurse not being a common killer and the difference in being amazing or being trash with her skews alot of perceptions and forces some people to say she's too hard to play because they don't want to get bullied trying to learn
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Nurse already has the lowest kill rate, why would you nerf her?
You can either balance the game for good players and leave her, because she is not OP. Or you balance the game for bad players and leave her, because she is already hard to play.
If you are facing a really good Nurse you should be a good survivor team. If not, why shoul you be allowed to stand any chance?
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survivors want every killer nerfed they need something to cry about and the worst thing is the devs will listing to them
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Lol Tournament.
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Would make the nurse just unable to blink through dropped pallets, everything else I would say is actually fine
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you can already stund the nurse when she blinks trough a pallet of i am not mistaken.
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Technically possible, but good luck timing that right with add-ons that change blink speed and of course the server latency
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but not being able to blink trough pallets means she is forced to break it, which makes her worse than the clown, lol
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Counterexample: Dota 2. Still played by a lot of people. And balance is from top to the bottom.
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Read the title, and I did say she isn't gonna 4k every match, doesn't matter how good you are you can't 4k all the time
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I don't feel she's a killer you can adjust. Her ability of ignoring defenses would have to be looked at and changed for her to feel any less "OP". The addons and slight power change didn't do a thing, you can still predict and get easy hits with her if you're skilled.
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Didn't realise I can't to spell it out for you but here goes... How would I nerf nurse? I wouldn't. She's hard to learn hard to loop but I still win most games against her with 2 randoms, people make killers sound like gods without bothering to learn how to play against them properly.
Just like twins everyone complains like slugging is a new things after a few matches vs her u can easily use it to your advantage, not counting first few games while she was bugged af and victor hitting trough walls and lockers I won 28/29 matches against her, learn and adapt.
If people used half the time they use bitching they could learn how to properly counter every killer and every strategy
Ps: u said u can't remember last time u played against a good nurse and you're asking for a nerf? LMAO
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I would not nerf the Nurse tbh...She is fine as she is..People just need to remember how she functions. (basically she is a ghost) and learn to play vs that idea.
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Can you read? I want survivor nerfed too.
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That would make her to weak. Then she needs to break every pallet.
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I wouldn't nerf her. She is fine imo.
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Overwatch is killing its game with other things.
R6 and LoL balance around tournaments and they do it great.
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Read my post. I said when survivor got nerfed on the level of bubba. So it doesnt matter that shes fine now.
But when you read the entire thread (you dont need to, but you should really read the first post) i said that the best would be to nerf survivors in a way that nurse is not affected. Like the map reworks with fewer good pallets.
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She'd need an entire rework to be on any other killer's level.
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I think that's your fault along with alot of survivors having clickbait titles.... We get enough videos like that dunno why it had to spread to forums
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Nerf? Are you kidding me? Her blink recharge needs a boost! It's PAINFULLY slow; no power should be add-on dependent.
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Well it's a good thing she isn't add-on dependent in the slightest isn't it? I don't recall the last time I used add-ons on her, or saw anyone else use them. Double recharge is nice to have but it's so fast anyway that it's not even a big improvement if you already know what you're doing. You're going to hit those blinks anyway if you're a good Nurse, the slightly slower cooldown makes no difference.
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Well that's good for you
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Thought of Nurse even being nerfed makes me sad😔
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That's like how would you nerf a Violin.
Only a small number of dedicated learn and can play the Nurse effectively. Only a few missed blinks will cost you the game, I know.
Some of the others are just too easy to win with.
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I would say making the Torn Bookmark add on as her basekit would be a good nerf (if survivors and the maps would be nerfed like you suggested).
She would still be able to blink but only through objects that she can see over and she would have 3 blinks. Still strong but definetly weaker.
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Yh its my fault of course. Bc you draw conclusions. I put a warning in the first sentence, but no you are to lazy to read more then the title. You are joking, right?
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