The small PP build talk is just a manipulation of killer mains.

I play quite a bit of killer (probably 40% of my total hours), and i generally agree with the small pp criticism of DS+Unbreakable.

It has nothing to do with tunneling or slugging; it's an attempt to "punish"the killer for beating you. Or to "punish" the killer for your teammates doing poorly, unhooking on the killer's face, etc.

But really, it's a strategy by survivors to essentially get at least one extra health state. That's fine, if you feel like you need an advantage to win. Just don't act like it's unfair of the killer to use the advantages they have.

When you come off the hook, you don't have immunity -- it's a politeness thing. All things being equal, I'll usually chase the unhooker rather than the unhookee, because it makes for a more exciting game.

But plenty of times the unhookee forgets that the choice not to chase them is mine; they act like I'm bound by some rule preventing me from chasing them, and they abuse it by trying to body block me as I chase the unhooker, self-caring, breaking a totem, or working a generator right in my face, or even just standing around and expecting me to leave him alone, etc.

Also, when I play killer I chase whoever is easier to catch. Killers have a lot to do and places to be, so I don't have time to screw around. If your team's looper unhooks in my face and then clicks their flashlight at me I'm going to ignore that guy and instead chase the potato that I know I can catch.

On the other hand, when I play killer I don't expect the survivors to throw the game. If I get hit with DS is just an extra 30 seconds added on to that chase. Sometimes that's enough for his team to finish the final gen so Adrenaline kicks in, or his teammates show up and take aggro, but by itself DS rarely changes the outcome for that survivor. (Although, I totally agree with the complaints about DS being a problem after gates are open -- DS can guarantee an escape with no options for the killer in that scenario.)

I have a hard time understanding any argument that amounts to "I totally would have won if you weren't trying so hard." You either play to win and expect the other side to do the same, or you play a fun casual game and don't take it too seriously.

Alright you are like 12, so probably no point in arguing further. But imagine thinking only your opinion is correct and attack people for having one that differ from you. Yikes. That personality trait.

Therapy sweetie.

What are you on about? Obviously it's just a slur against survivors most of the time but there's actual merit behind it. Just because you don't use it like others do doesn't mean a probleym doesn't exist, since you talked about scott jund you should know that people who use unbreakable+ds to do stupid ######### and be invincible. If you don't use unbreakable+ds combo to be a ######### infront if the killers face then you're not the target behind that slur.

This is stupid, 1. nobody says freddy with ultra slow down is fun to play as/against. 2. again nobody does this on spirit in expecting any kind of pity because they are scumbags. 3. you cant claim killers with insta downs are some how overpowered, if it is like HG or DH then yeah but that is easy enough to counter if you have two people in comms.

You're picking fights where they don't exist, if you're a person who uses unbreakable+ds for its intended reason (anti-slug and tunnel) then nobody is saying anything about you. People who use it to be invincible in front of the killer and do anything they want because they know they're invincible are who people call small pp.

Ruin/Tinkerer

-Requires meaningful input from the killer to be useful (ie locating survivors/chasing/etc) which in turn forces killer/survivor interaction.

-Requires meaningful input from survivors to remove (cleansing totems) which in turn ensures that survivors can't just sit on gens (boring gameplay) and provides more opportunities for killer/survivor interaction.

The backlash to this combo is why we'll never see a meaningful second objective added to the game.

Ah, stop tunneling AND slugging if you run across the same survivor within 60s of unhook - Literally giving them the 60s of invincibility that people are complaining about (well, it's actually an enhanced version of this in your case, as the survivor never gets downed or uses DS).

In all fairness, Unbreakable is pretty useful outside of this combo, though, as it still provides the recovery bonus (only counterable by Knock Out) regardless of whether you pick yourself up or not.

The perks are both in the game and it's ok for anyone to use this combo, obviously, but your viewpoint and suggested solution are, in my opinion, asinine.

I'm talking about in the current state of the game. Yes if you want to avoid DS, you need to not pick the person up within 60 seconds of being rescued. That is well established, there are no surprises there. However because a lot of killers go out of their way to tunnel and then bypass DS by slugging, it makes sense that survivors will also bring Unbreakable. alternatively just avoid that person for 60 seconds, there are three other people to go after. Even accidentally I almost never run into DS. Unless they're all wearing the same skin and I lost track of which is which. Again the reason people bring unbreakable for the most part is as a backup for killers that openly circumvent DS.

I could list thousands of situations where I have been tunneled for no reason and then slugged. So in this case, DS was completely circumvented and nullified and provided zero relief. And some don't even care about DS, they will instantly pick you up and resume the tunnel after the stun. However I should feel sorry for killers, because for the next 60 seconds I'm untouchable they can't do anything or I'm guaranteed to escape. All of these DS topics are always about the poor killer, never about the poor survivor that is getting tunnelled unnecessarily the whole match or left slugged on the floor with no remedy. And how dare they bring unbreakable to provide some relief because that's just unacceptable.

I agree it is not an anti tunnel perk, and I'm glad that you agree as well. It is simply a grab the survivor within 60 seconds of being rescued and you will be stunned perk. It can provide some relief to tunneling, but it does have some offensive uses outside of that. I'm in agreement with fine tuning the perk to narrow the scope for tunneling but then it would need some adjustments on the survivor side of the perk. This is where people often diverge, they want to see the timer reduced but they want to see no other changes to make it more effective at dealing exclusively with being tunneled. I just don't know what that would look like, it obviously couldn't be too strong where it was guaranteed to provide total relief to tunneling but it should be more effective and narrowly tailored to anti tunnel. I don't normally agree with a lot of the suggested changes because I think they would provide tremendous value for the killer but from the survivor's perspective, who is the victim of being tunnelled would provide almost no relief.

That's not what I actually said but yes there are three other people. So why go after the person that was just rescued when there are three other people? Yes I know, there are myriad circumstances where it makes sense for whatever reason to do so. Just be prepared for the potential incoming DS. You know how the perk works so don't act surprised.

It's a video game. "Victim blaming" isn't a thing because something happened in a video game you didn't like. Don't use real world, serious terms for actual victims on yourself over a video game. Not a good look.

If you're going to mention something I pointed out, why not quote me directly? I'm here, actively participating and have no problem doing so despite the attempted insults and denigration by some participants in this topic.

Again I never said any of that, firstly I can't possibly list every single scenario that a killer is presented with. The matches are dynamic and there are a lot of factors to consider. However my saying there are three other players isn't an argument, it is a statement of fact. Ultimately you have to consider many factors including the state of the game and how many players are alive in the trial. Obviously things change over time. The bottom line is you don't always have to go after the newly rescued person, in some cases you do and that's a choice you make but again that's the point of player agency. We have a lot of freedom on the things we can do, but sometimes those choices are less than optimal. You can slug the second to last survivor to bypass getting hit with decisive strike but then there's a risk the person has unbreakable and can recover, rescue the person and they escape. my ultimate point was that there are choices, whether you like those choices or not is your opinion but they are choices.

This has practically nothing to do with what youre talking about, but in my opinion they made this game way too easy for survivors and harder for killers. Why do you think finding a lobby takes so long when you're playing survivor. Survivors ######### about hex ruin (before it got turned into a useless perk) so they change it. Survivors ######### about moris so now you gotta hook them twice. But survivors can still run you in loops for days. You start chasing one not one minute later 3 gens pop. Js the way this game is currently going I have no faith in it to still be popular years from now. They're making it way to hard to be a killer. Which takes away the point of a survival (HORROR) game. Ya know to be scared while playing it. Now there's nothing but cocky survivors like hey chase me.

It's not about the size of the pp it's how you use it.

If you use DS+unbreakable as the anti tunnel perks then no-one will complain about that.

When you start using it in the killers face with 60 seconds of being untouchable is when people start having a problem.

In short, who cares about some elementary school insult, use what you want

But I wasn't wrong with what I've said.