If you had to remove one perk on both sides, which ones would you remove and why?

Object of Obsession and NOED, both have the exact same issue: they're extremely annoying to deal with

Dead Hard is literally stupid and it will be worse when redone from the ground up for dedicated servers. (At least change it so you CAN get hit if you Dead Hard at the killer seriously that's dumb af)

Hoarder because seriously why did this need to exist? The region of effect is so far that unless you're playing a fast moving killer you won't get over there in time and you give survivors a better chance to find something that's good for them. (as survivor I don't mind, but when killer I'm like "this is a waste of my time to get")

Survivor: Object of Obsession. I'm not sure I really need to explain.

Killer: NOED. It's a perk that demolishes solo teams whilst SWFs can easily coordinate totem cleansing, and teaches really bad habits to killer players making them reliant on it. It becomes their crutch perk and they need to NOED camp to secure a kill and somehow they safety from it because the solos will rush in to try and save or cleanse the totem. It shouldn't exist.

I would say

Object of Obsession, it's just so unhealthy for the game and gives a major unnecessary buff to swf while possibly being the death of an unaware solo.

Insidious, for your reasons. You cannot use this perk to benefit you in anyway unless it's camping.

Object for survivors and insidious for killer would be my pick

Killer: spirit fury

this perk adds nothing to the game imo. On its own it’s a useless perk that needs to charge up but with enduring you get rewarded for playing bad. Oh the survivor looped you well at an unsafe pallet and gets the stun nah they’re downed now.

survivor:self care

its annoying to everyone in the lobby and isn’t worth using. Inner strength already does it’s job better

well hate ds but i like it it just needs a tweak so imma go with dead hard

edit adrenaline

On the survivor side, it's hands down Object of Obsession. OoO is an unpleasant perk that I think most of us can agree should have been reworked a long time ago.

I don't think there are any killer perks which are quite as egregious as OoO (not even NOED, Ruin, or Undying), so I could agree with removing Insidious. I think it is a poorly thought-out perk that also deserves a rework; Trail of Torment is a better example of what Insidious could have been.

Shadow born because its use will hurt future killer play

No mither because it is just a trap for survivors in its current state

Urban evasion for survivor.

Killer there's nothing I really care about removing. Maybe Insidious but I very rarely see that. Maybe NOED but I enjoy the stress it brings at endgame.

Object or dead hard for survivor. Object is just a horrible perk, and its especially unfair on certain killers like stealth killers, Trapper, Hag etc. Dead hard because its just a chase extender. Most killers will bait it out, but often its used to make it to a pallet or a window. Its just such a crutch for chase, IMO.

Noed for killer. I know it can be countered by simply cleansing totems. That's not my issue. I feel like it just rewards failure.

Killer: No One Escapes Death.

Survivor: Object Of Obsession

Dead Hard for me. Survivors use it to extend loops and get to pallets or gain more distance. OoO I can just tunnel or camp out if I don't just ignore them

Killer I would say NoEd or perhaps Pgtw . NOed for obvious reasons and pop so I don't lose gen progress.

I agree with OoO, but infectious fright is a mixed bag imo. That perk can really screw over killers who overestimate their own abilities, so I don't think it can be abused much.

I second, or third or whatever the count is, remove OoO from survivors. My second pick is Spine chill; spine chill just needs a rework, perk is too damned strong.

For killer, remove monstrous shrine and unrelenting. They're pure garbage.

Survivor : Babysitter - Utterly useless, why is this a paid-for perk?

Killer : Zanshin Tactics - Why is there a cooldown on this already terrible perk. Again, it's a paid-for one. Why does this exist at all? I doubt anyone ever uses it unless they're going for Adept.

No One Escapes Death requires the survivors to stop whatever they are doing and do ALL bones before the last generator is completed or face massive consequences. The killer doesn't have to equip this perk, the threat of them potentially having it will have the same effect (exactly like Decisive Strike).

The main problem I have with this perk is that killers will usually destroy solo queue players because they have no means of keeping track of the bones (unless they run a perk). Since solo queue players cannot keep track of bones, they usually just ignore them entirely and complete generators because against a decent killer, we can't have all survivors checking the map and find every single destroyed totem — that's just too much time you're giving the killer.

Therefore, that's why I believe we should remove it from the game, it's unhealthy for the game because it's a perk designed to destroy groups who can't communicate. The killer doesn't even have to equip it, survivors have to treat all killers like they have it equipped. It's just a mess for solo queue, but if you're in a premade group, you have no excuse at that point to deactivate No One Escapes Death.

Dead Hard because it’s extremely unreliable, yet when it does work it corrects a mistake that can extend chases that should have ended.

Infectious “play the game for me” Fright. Need I say more?