Thoughts on RBTs?

I think her issues have less to do with her traps and more to do with her crouch/ambush. Her crouch viewpoint should be higher and the ambush shouldn't have a roar with it. For her RBT's though, Rule Set #2 should just be in her base kit.

@HellDescent said:
Just thought of this: after successfully searching a box and finding a key you'd need another survivor to unlock the rbt for you

This is an amazing idea needs more upvotes

As a Pig main myself, here are what I consider to be reasonable buffs:

-Reverse Bear Traps only reveal the Jigsaw Boxes once it is activated.
-Combat Straps Add-On should be base kit. This add-on is nearly mandatory due to how sluggish she is without it. It's taking up room for another add-on.
-No roar on Ambush.

@Nickenzie said:
Boss said:

Like what's been said before, i'd like and only like for the Jigsaw Boxes to not be luck based, but simply make you succeed after box #3.

Then certain Add-ons could also do penalties of lowering the amount, but also an Add-on raising it to 4. (Non-stackable.)

You can't do that since the killer can body block the Jigsaw Box and it would be boring for both sides. Hear my solution out and my reasoning:
-Jigsaw's Annotated Plan needs to be built-in to Amanda's kit and a survivor cannot remove a RBT on their first Jigsaw Box.

Reasoning:
Less RNG and less likely of a chance to quickly remove a RBT on your first few boxes.

-RBT timers will start active without needing a generator.

Reasoning: This applies pressure immediately and forces the survivor to make tough decisions. Additionally, it makes sense lore wise since "The Game" has started.

True, i guess an Add-on for 4 can't be done.

3 is still plausible though: If she's blocking one, just go to an other.
It makes Survivors have to approach Jigsaw Boxes without being hasty or they'll be seen, adding pressure from the RBT snapping.

Also, what someone else said before (though it's not on topic): That roar. Have it start when the dash starts.

Goldengeartwo said:

As a Pig main myself, here are what I consider to be reasonable buffs:

-Reverse Bear Traps only reveal the Jigsaw Boxes once it is activated.
-Combat Straps Add-On should be base kit. This add-on is nearly mandatory due to how sluggish she is without it. It's taking up room for another add-on.
-No roar on Ambush.

@Peanits said:
I like them, I just think they need to have less luck involved. You shouldn't be able to take it off after just one box.

The RNG with her traps is too much RNG for me. I understand the RNG aspect of it, and maybe they can increase the chances of it staying on by adding time and a station or by adding the need for 2 keys with the chance of there being an ultra rare chance of you only needing 1 key. I'm not sure. The one thing I do know is that her games last longer than the usual time I'm used to, so I don't know what they could do to make the traps last longer and keep the game fun at the same time.

Dreamnomad said:

There are some decent suggestions, but there are some seriously crazy ones too.

• Survivors starting the match with a reverse bear trap on their head.
• Requiring 3 or more box searches to remove the trap.
• Requiring another survivor to remove the trap after the key is found.
• Requiring 2 or more keys to remove the trap.
• Decrease timer by 30 seconds if a generator is finished.

None of these things are ever going to happen.

I would like the traps to be something the survivor has to worry about, not the Pig. It should be put on once and then get someone else. I always wanted them to work like Hoffman's trap in the sixth movie. Instead of activating a normal timer, until the exit gates are powered, the traps would simply 'rip' open partially. This would either send the survivor into the next hooking phase or put them into the dying state when there is no hooking state left.
They could still look for keys and stop the trap from doing the partial rip. Once the exit gates are powered, they work as usual. Ticking timer, no passing through the exit gate, yadda yadda.
And yes, combat straps should definitely be in her base kit. Also a higher view in crouch would be nice...v

@HellDescent said:
Or the timer could decrease by 30 seconds with each completed gen after it's been activated. This way survivors would wait for their temmates to remove the trap before popping a second gen.

This was the "meta" back when the Saw chapter first released. Everyone would 99% generator to give survivors time to remove the trap however it still never slowed the game down because traps still fall victim to RNG and gens can still be chain poped" if at 99%. Sure this may seem like it would add time but if you as a killer still see 5 gens remaining you feel less pressure and relax, opening yourself up to making mistakes. Nothing like 4-5 gens all going DING at once to make you crap your pants.

The traps should not reveal the boxes until active by default and I honestly think you should have 6 traps by default, this way you don't feel the need to save half (if not all) your traps until late/endgame.

@HellDescent said:

@MegaWaffle said:

@HellDescent said:
Or the timer could decrease by 30 seconds with each completed gen after it's been activated. This way survivors would wait for their temmates to remove the trap before popping a second gen.

This was the "meta" back when the Saw chapter first released. Everyone would 99% generator to give survivors time to remove the trap however it still never slowed the game down because traps still fall victim to RNG and gens can still be chain poped" if at 99%. Sure this may seem like it would add time but if you as a killer still see 5 gens remaining you feel less pressure and relax, opening yourself up to making mistakes. Nothing like 4-5 gens all going DING at once to make you crap your pants.

The traps should not reveal the boxes until active by default and I honestly think you should have 6 traps by default, this way you don't feel the need to save half (if not all) your traps until late/endgame.

I know , but perks like pop goes the weasel would help

Maybe, but I don't think I've seen that perk since the Clown chapter release as many people realized how niche it can be.

@HellDescent said:
@MegaWaffle It's weak on clown or similar killers, but really good on killers with good mobility like nurse, billy, spirit. I find that in this game most of killers should never use their own teachables lol

I agree teachable's seem to benefit killers they are not originally from and that Pig may actually get some use out of Pop Goes the Weasel should that change come about, however it would still fall victim to the current problems that plague it. You still have to get that hook for a single use of the perk and you still have to charge forth to a gen within that tight 30s period potentially ignoring that rushed hook save or that survivor t-bagging in the distance. I just don't think even with a "99% gen meta" again that the perk would be strong enough to justify taking a spot.

This is all just speculation and personal opinion but its what I believe.

@Eight said:
Some good ideas in this thread. I'm assuming those suggestions aren't implemented when I type this.

The RBT timer's should be shorter. I'm not looking for kills, still keeping them as an alternative objective to slow the game down, but only inexperienced survivors panic when they get trapped. Most others know they have ample time - I even find trapped survivors on gens and making hook saves.

As much as I love the idea of the timer decreasing a chunk when another gen goes, I don't think your average survivor gives enough of a ######### about his teammates for this to stop them working the gens.

My quick buff idea.

1: 6 traps by default so you don't feel obligated to save for endgame
2: Boxes are not revealed until trap triggers
3: Add an additional box by default that yields no key for any trap as a way to lower the instant RNG removal (if you make the first box a guaranteed fail then survivors who know they have no time won't care to try)
4: Anyone with a trap on their head suffers from a 10% action speed decrease to healing (maybe not healing now that we have the healing nerf) generator repair and hook saves.
5: IF the above still yields poor results then have the RBT active the moment the survivor is saved from the down state/saved from the hook and not require a gen to be completed.

@Eight said:

@MegaWaffle said:
My quick buff idea.

1: 6 traps by default so you don't feel obligated to save for endgame
2: Boxes are not revealed until trap triggers
3: Add an additional box by default that yields no key for any trap as a way to lower the instant RNG removal (if you make the first box a guaranteed fail then survivors who know they have no time won't care to try)
4: Anyone with a trap on their head suffers from a 10% action speed decrease to healing (maybe not healing now that we have the healing nerf) generator repair and hook saves.
5: IF the above still yields poor results then have the RBT active the moment the survivor is saved from the down state/saved from the hook and not require a gen to be completed.

Interesting.

1. Yes, 4 is definitely too few. Shouldn't need an add-on to increase this number when they're so easy to remove.

2. Yeah, that'd be nice. But I'm not too bothered by them finding out I'm a Pig. They're going to know soon enough anyway.

3. Reasonable option.

4. Or make Slow-Release Toxin and Rusty Attachment common add-ons instead of rare.

I also don't see why survivors are able to get through the hatch with the trap on, but not an open exit gate. I guess it's difficult to find the fair balance on this.

I think you misunderstood #2 so allow me to correct my wording.

When a survivor has a trap on their head they see the white aura's of all the Jigsaw boxes. There is an add-on that removes this ability from survivors unless the trap has been triggered. I believe this add-on should be in her base kit and that Jigsaw boxes shouldn't have their aura revealed until the trap is triggered.

@Eight said:

@MegaWaffle said:
I think you misunderstood #2 so allow me to correct my wording.
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I believe this add-on should be in her base kit and that Jigsaw boxes shouldn't have their aura revealed until the trap is triggered.

Ah, yep. I misunderstood initially. Thanks for clarifying. I think this one may need playtesting to see if it's good and fair, or a step too far.

However, if you apply a few very small changes (like your third suggestion about the dead box) to traps and also this one, it may have the desired effect of forcing more panic from survivors. If they can't plan a route around the boxes, they're going to be more inclined to start hunting for them immediately (or waiting until the timer starts, of course).

Gives them an interesting choice.

It could be cool too if you had the potential to find the key to your teammates RBT and had to save each-other. This would of course be 100% troll bait and break the Pig beyond belief but in theory is a fun idea.

How about we let people with Saboteur try to remove the trap themselves? If they fail a skillcheck or stop the channel they just have the trap beep very quickly and then they lose 30 seconds off of the timer.

Boss said:

@Nickenzie said:
Boss said:

Like what's been said before, i'd like and only like for the Jigsaw Boxes to not be luck based, but simply make you succeed after box #3.

Then certain Add-ons could also do penalties of lowering the amount, but also an Add-on raising it to 4. (Non-stackable.)

You can't do that since the killer can body block the Jigsaw Box and it would be boring for both sides. Hear my solution out and my reasoning:
-Jigsaw's Annotated Plan needs to be built-in to Amanda's kit and a survivor cannot remove a RBT on their first Jigsaw Box.

Reasoning:
Less RNG and less likely of a chance to quickly remove a RBT on your first few boxes.

-RBT timers will start active without needing a generator.

Reasoning: This applies pressure immediately and forces the survivor to make tough decisions. Additionally, it makes sense lore wise since "The Game" has started.

True, i guess an Add-on for 4 can't be done.

3 is still plausible though: If she's blocking one, just go to an other.
It makes Survivors have to approach Jigsaw Boxes without being hasty or they'll be seen, adding pressure from the RBT snapping.

Also, what someone else said before (though it's not on topic): That roar. Have it start when the dash starts.

@Carpemortum said:
CoolAKn said:

@Peanits said:

I like them, I just think they need to have less luck involved. You shouldn't be able to take it off after just one box.

A thought I had was to double the amount of Jigsaw boxes available and assign a key when trapped. That way, only 1 of the boxes will get the trap off. Instead of it being RNG or luck with every box, they just have to find the 1 box with their key.

It does assign a key when trapped. Devs said that a few q and a ago when talking about luck and rng. So "your box" exists as soon as your trap does. You just have to guess right.

Exactly and I've had it where i've been killer and they get it 1st attempt 1st box while I get it last box and sometimes not even then.

Orion said:

I think something that's actually designed not to harm Survivors doesn't put any pressure on them.

@powerbats said:
The issue is you could lose up to 19 seconds being carried to the hook and or left slugged on the ground. Then you could just be left on the hook if the killers soft camping just outside terror radius or she crouches.

I think Nickenzie meant it in the sense that the timer shouldn't require a generator to be repaired, but the RBT would still be disabled during a chase, while in the dying state, and on the hook. At least that's how I would like it.