Franklin's Demise

Then put the item in a safe spot. Franklins will get you the first time. Then go back pick it up put It down and you're good.

If a killer's running Franklins he's wasting a perk slot. I'm fine with that any day on survivor. The item doesn't matter much. I don't see the issue.

It's not in the description, but when I get hit by it, a little icon for it appears and it indicates a cool down of some sort.

Even if there isn't one, just pick up and put down your item and you won't lose it.

You really don't know what makes it give an unfair advantage, do you?

I still don't see the issue?

You're complaining the killer is screwing around and wasting time fiddling with you and another guys items while the rest your team is pumping out gens?

This sounds like an ideal situation I'd hope for as survivor.

It's how survivors often play. Look at how many people in this thread alone proclaim to 'just go back and get your item' or 'drop your item before you get hit', basically calling for making sure you (as survivor) are stationary in a specific spot.

That might not be a free kill, but def a free hit, because a lot of people WILL go back for their item, and get distracted looking for it.

Frankly (no pun intended) they should change it to not have the items dissolve again, but let the killer pick up the item (after a while) and put it down either during the match, give it back to the survivor if they escape without an item or turn it into addition bloodpoints if the survivor dies (also make it work with white ward)

Franklin's is borderline useless even for keys. Once the survivors know the killer has it they can just hide their key in a corner somewhere, boom, wasted perk slot. If the killer camps the item then he loses gens. If he doesn't the survivor just picks it back up. I would only ever run Franklin's on Hag or perhaps 4 medkits. One of the weirdest perks to complain about.

I disagree, as Franklin's Demise has strategic value to it in multiple ways. Survivors tend to value the items they bring in more than any they can collect from a chest in the trial/match (more on the chests later), be it a simple medkit or an ultra rare key/map, FD dropping it creates urgency to retrieve it, and that's something the killer can rely on. This was made all the more urgent with the addition of the 90 second timer before the item gets destroyed for good, and some killers can perfectly take advantage of this such as Hag, Trapper, and Pyramid Head, who can trap the fallen item(s) and force the survivors to give away their position when they try to retrieve it. In PH's case this is particularly cruel since he can cover the item with one of his trails of torment, giving survivors the sadistic choice of either retrieving it and getting tormented or letting it disappear, essentially though all 3 of these killers not only knock the item out of the survivors hands, they take them hostage.

Currently the most broken item in the game is Keys, which have the potential to reward one or more survivors with a 5k BP escape no matter how poorly they played. Being that the only ways of preventing this escape are:

1. knocking the survivor to the ground so they can't use the key,
2. knocking the key out of their hand with Franklin's Demise,
3. or shocking them with doc to prevent interactions with the hatch...

The easiest and most universal choice to all killers should be obvious. Killers who bring in this perk against survivor teams with items do so because survivors who bring in items often have a build and a plan to go with them. It's unfair to believe that a killer who uses FD isn't good at the game, without also criticizing the survivors in the same ilk for feeling they can't win a match without bringing in said items in the first place. Playing around flashlights can be tricky enough as it is, but how exactly does a killer play around 6 second healing time medkit builds, Brand new part, or a map that shows the hatches location? I've already mentioned the only methods for beating a key, and surmised that FD is the easiest and most universal way, but while the killers have other perks like Overwhelming Presence, Coulrophobia and Lightborn to deal with the other items, those all rely on the conditions of either the Terror Radius's size, or the survivor using the item against them in their presence. They do nothing unless those conditions are met, and survivors can very easily play around all of the anti-item perks, including FD.

What are the weaknesses to FD you ask? Simple:

1. You can always replace a lost item by collecting another from a chest at any time during a match
2. Jump in a locker before the killer can hit you.
3. Dropping your item.

The first is a no-brainer. Unlike killers, survivors don't actually have to rely on the bloodweb at all to gain items. They can pickup items dropped by teammates, or they can search chests for new ones. While the Chest searching option is more random than the bloodweb, It's recently become a lot less so with the buffs to perks like Plunderers Instinct, Ace in the Hole, and even the newly added Appraisal, which increase the odds of getting really good items. So if the killer destroys your item with FD, you have a plethora of tools at your disposal to counter this and possibly gain something better than what you had/brought in.

The second is a simple method that forces the killer to grab you instead of making you drop your item with a hardy slap, but this is conditional. If you aren't on death hook, and are 1 hit away from being downed, still have your item, and in a chase... by all means, hop in the nearest locker to keep your item. Otherwise it's basically a surrender to the killer, and unless you brought in a white ward, it won't allow you to keep your item anyway.

The third weakness is so laughably over powered against FD, I'm still shocked it hasn't caught on. If you're confused, don't worry...You read it correctly: Dropping your item. If you do this, then the item will not get devoured by FD, and you can pick it back up at any time to use when you need it. This weakness to FD renders it as a COMPLETLY WASTED perk slot for the killer. Sure, with FD's tertiary effect, the killer can see the items aura, and possibly take advantage of it if they are Hag, Trapper, or PH, but otherwise it's completely safe from FD's Destructive Secondary effect. Some examples of how to use this:

You bring in a key, but get it knocked out of your hand with FD/or see another survivor drop their item after getting struck? Well then... stash it somewhere you trust to leave it, and return to get it when the hatch spawns.

See the killer hit one of your buddies, and their flashlight hits the floor? Drop your own item, pick their flashlight up and drop it again where they left it.

Killer swiftly approaching your gen? drop your item at the gen before getting chased, and return for it if they chase someone else, or after your chase ends and you either juked them successfully, or get unhooked.

So OP... Knowing this, where does that leave your Opinion regarding Franklin's Demise?

Do you Still believe that it needs to be "Nerfed" by adding a cooldown?

I'd really like to know, Because from where I'm standing, it's a simple strategic perk that provides a decent counter to most items that survivors feel they need in order to achieve a win, but it's far from being worthy of your or anyone's complaints. Honestly, the counter play to FD is so ridiculously in the survivors favor... I cringe whenever I see posts like this. The only thing Idiotic about FD is how easily it's rendered a wasted slot.

I was running a loot build with ace in the hole and plunders and the killer had franklins but with plunders I was able to see where the dropped item was.

Soooooo why not Adapt? If Franklin's is SUCH a problem run plunder instinct to counter them. It's really not rocket science

Either you're trolling or somehow dropped your item at the wrong time.

That timer displays how long you have to touch the item again before the entity grabs it.........and in case nobody has ever actually used the skill before (which is a lot of people btw) its a long ass time.

As a survivor main, I don't mind it too much. However, I think it is ridiculous for killers to run it during events where you are trying to get event-only items out of chests and escape with them. There have been events where it was really difficult to get the items out of the bloodwebs and your best shot was chests. Please don't run Franklin's during events.

You're complaining about Franklin's because... you're a solo survivor player? This game is too rough for you.

On the subject of Trapper, sadly it is possible to retrieve the item from the bear trap if they're careful when approaching it. They don't even have to disarm the trap.

I actually wish trapper could interact with dropped items to place the item directly in the trap, similar to a mousetrap baited with cheese. A baited trap HAS to be disarmed before the survivor can retrieve the item.