Is the Undying+Ruin nerf going to be worse for survivors?

I was until the queues started being around 15 minutes for me give and take afew. When I would forget I was even in queue only to come back dead or see a dead person in the game already I realized it already wasn't playing any more with the queues being bad at night for me so I only came back for the bp event recently to screw around for a bit. But yes, if the queues were 5 minutes or less for me still, I would still be playing and did still play against it those times. I just looked for the bones and hoped everybody else would too except when the killer was occupied and a couple of us could slam a gen out preferably mid or a different one that wouldn't leave us confined in the end. Sometimes other people would take care of the totem I noticed, they 'adapted' as survivors like to put it to the killers.

If somebody can run the killer around for a long time, that's a great time to get them out of the way and then go looking for the bones once the killer catches them or abandons them. If you haven't been hooked and can finish a gen int he killer's face just do it and eat the hook too sometimes. It beats it being reset. there are decisions that can be made around it, and it usually beats being slugged and doing jackshit half the game after a ten minute or more queue. That's what would lead me to quit the game right there on both sides finally if it was nothing but slugs and hatch matches after unbearable queues. A "hatch match" in that dark time would simply be playing like a coward the whole game and not risking reviving anybody slugged, only doing a gen to get the hatch to spawn later after waiting out their bleeding lol. I wouldn't trust a killer if they got me in thats ort of a game to not leave me with the choice of bleeding out for four minutes or taking the 4 minute dc penalty and checking through compendiums only to play something else the second bad slug match in a night. I'll take ruin and light slugging over something more boring any day evenw ith quicker queues.

That was how some of my matches were the last times I played, seeing them dancing around the killer and hook and only finishing a gen or two before realizing it was time to go looking for the hatch. I would start gathering bones if I hadn't found a few already by then just to have some decent points afterwards in case they got me before I found the hatch or the gates were poorly spaced when it seemed smarter to wait by a gate until they close the hatch. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to this game myself, and make plenty of stupid decisions, but some people just play in ways that make me wonder if they're just trolling or farming quick unsafe hooks off each other. Which would make sense during bp events if the queues were short, but otherwise is just plain stupid. Evenw hen I'm screwing around or trying to figure out fun or trolly loadouts and winning isn't my main concern, I still try and get out if I can usually.

Def disagree with whatever that streamer of yours said. The meta will change, people will still use Ruin, people will turn to DH, Tinkerer, and other perks depending on what killer they're playing esp. Undying isn't going to be bad, its just not going to be as strong as it is now.

At the highest ranks, if I see Ruin, I'm going to immediately go hunting for it. A lot of others will too. If killers are going to camp, they will pay for it. I don't see the nerf as a problem, the meta will change and that means people will have to adapt their playstyles which is perfect.

Why would it? Good killers don't have to camp. Imo its not going to affect camping at all. Killers will camp regardless. Its just gonna make it easier for survivors to destroy the totems.

Not hard stressful.

Camping is already rampant, that hasn't changed with the meta. Also, I don't understand the correlation. With ruin/undying you can hook in the middle of a 3 gen and still get ruin value. And even if ruin/undying discouraged camping, then once cleansed, the player would resort back to camping anyway, unless the trial is already a wrap.

Devour Hope / Undying will be the new combo to complain about once token transfer is implemented.

As the game gets harder for killers the more mean killers will become and do things like slugging. Its sad that all of killer meta has been strictly generators.

I never use Ruin/Undying and I never need to camp unless the survivors are like 4 person swf 1 gen left and no one is dead on hook, but that's kinda expected out of a killer. I think the streamer you watched is wrong on that one. Ruin/Undying is not needed at all to do well and not need to camp.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if Devour hope/Undying ever becomes popular enough that it becomes meta I don't think it'll stop camping. It'll just encourage aggressive hook bombing to prevent stacks which means people unhooking you infront of the killer without BT.

I quit killer not cause of these upcoming nerfs or gen speed or whatever, I quit cause killer got boring

Yes, I agree with the streamer (it was True I believe). I've stopped running ruin and undying some time ago to get used to the change and it's definitely much harder. Gens fly and you can't just run after the survivors and have some fun chasing. You have to kill one person asap, slug occasionally and get ready for 3 gen. It's boring, but it's better then losing.

I am sorry, but you are terribly mistaken. Old Ruin was not OP. It was, and still is, one of the few perks that can slow the game down. And I don't fast games, I want to enjoy the trial and have fun. Old Ruin made that possible.

If there's an issue with more campers, just always run Borrowed Time. It's inconvenient if you have a different build that you prefer that doesn't involve BT, but it's an effective way to punish camping.

Most people I've seen are talking about how good it'll be with Devour Hope and, to a lesser extent, Huntress' Lullaby. To get stacks with Devour Hope you need to get x distance away from the Hook.

How does this promote camping?